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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 103 points 1 year ago

Win11 exclusive? Welp, guess I'll never use it, then.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 32 points 1 year ago

Windows 11 is pretty awesome though

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 71 points 1 year ago
  • Once you remove all the tracking and ads, which were already fucking intolerable in 10
[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 14 points 1 year ago

1 minute during setup is not exactly a sacrifice

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago

It doesn't stop all tracking, a lot of it still happens in the background, only "without identification". If you thought otherwise, I have this pristine Eiffel Tower for sale.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not at all concerned about them collecting random useless data that will happen their own effectiveness

[-] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Imagine thinking in 2023 that there's still such a thing as 'useless data'

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 1 points 1 year ago

What's the useful part

[-] ex0dus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

It's not 1 minute, you have to be technically savvy and run scripts from GitHub

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago

No it's just a title list that's presented to you on the first time startup wizard

[-] SkyeStarfall 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It shows where Microsoft's mind is at. And it won't stop here.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago

God forbid they make money on a product they have given away

[-] SkyeStarfall 29 points 1 year ago

Given away? Windows is a paid product. And there are other (free!) operating systems that are not driven by profit.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 2 points 1 year ago

I've never paid for it. Most Windows 11 users have not paid for it. You can buy a license but they also gave it away to effectively everyone and anyone who wants to can run it without buying it so long as you don't mind the "activate more" watermark and less appearance options

[-] SkyeStarfall 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

...having a demo version of windows does not count as "having it".

It's a paid product. Windows Home costs 139$. And if you bought a laptop or pre-built PC with windows on it, you have already paid for the license as part of the price. And since most people buy pre-built PCs, or laptops, most people thus do pay for the windows license.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 2 points 1 year ago

So people having the ability to use it and cover week their needs without having to pay money to Microsoft for Windows 11 then that means Microsoft needs to recoup those costs somehow. I know you want to move those goal post but the reality is still what it is.

[-] SkyeStarfall 7 points 1 year ago

I feel like you didn't read my reply

In addition, the paid versions still track you

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 1 points 1 year ago

They gather some kind of data, they aren't tracking a specific person

[-] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

you're either naive or you're working for microsoft.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

most users (outside of a few countries) have paid for windows. via oem or volume channels, as that's where the vast majority of users source their windows from. oem pc sales or volume licenses. whether the original was 7, 8, 10 or 11. at the end of the day, a legit activated license for windows 11 is, or was born from, a paid license.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 1 points 1 year ago

More than likely they didn't buy a Windows 11 license. It's far more likely they bought a Windows 10, 8 or whatever the hell license from previous versions. Only a small percentage will have bought 11

[-] HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

They make their real money on Azure iirc. And they've recently had a security leak of about 38 TB of data. Nice.

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

10

That's where you lost credibility.
Windows 7 was their last non-tracking OS.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

It's still missing a handful of features from Windows10, which might keep some people from upgrading

[-] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah that and on my custom built pc that runs awesomely windows 11 poo poos some of my hardware and refuses to take up residence all together.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 2 points 1 year ago

I'm running Windows 11 on Chromebooks without issue.

[-] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 11 points 1 year ago
[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 2 points 1 year ago

If I can rerun Windows 11 on a machine without actual Windows support I'm sure your issue is not going to be on the fault of Microsoft

[-] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Any operating system can run on anything with an x86 CPU. That's not what's insane, it's the fact that it's gonna be unbearably slow

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 2 points 1 year ago

It's not slow though, it's snappy and fast

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 4 points 1 year ago

I'll bite, what features are missing

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Ungrouped task bar buttons, I like seeing what's running on my task bar at a glance. And I don't like having it shrunk down to just an icon either.

[-] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 4 points 1 year ago

You can ungroup them. it's under personalization > taskbar

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Ah, last I heard, it was in the Insider Channel previews. Guess it's live now.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

i just did an install of 11 here on a test machine. specifically went looking for that option. didn't see it.

[-] omicron@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Windows 11 is a much better experience for developers than Windows 10. I see a lot of people who just hate on it for no real reason other than it's different.

[-] TheyKeepOnRising@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a dev and I hate Win11. I could list dozens of reasons why, but one that pisses me off daily is that they removed keyboard shortcuts from task manager for no goddamn reason. Alt+E is the shortcut to end process on every other Windows OS except Win11 because it was made with malicious incompetence.

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Eh, I don't hate Windows (unlike a lot in the Fediverse), but I wouldn't say Win11 is awesome. It probably just works. From what I see it's just a mildly-improved 10, which is nice, but missing a few things (no grouped task bar button option in my case), which is why I'm holding out for now.

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