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365x the average workers salary divided by 150,000 workers.
Like the math is written out.
The company can pay more for sure, but Reich should know enough to look at these publicly traded companies' cash-on-hand.
As an example:
CEO pay needs a cap but not because workers are paid less. CEO pay is not that big a drain on these companies' resources.
Seems like a pretty arbitrary number you picked there.
CEO pay and worker pay aren't intrinsically linked. Paying a CEO less doesn't mean workers will magically get paid more.
Workers are paid based on the market value of their labor cost.
CEO pay should be capped, but because the market is unhinged from reality and needs a check for overall business health, not because of anything to do with worker salaries.
If CEOs made $0 there is no reason to assume employee wages would increase.
Why do you think so?
I'm not understanding how this ties into any sort of disconnect in regards to jobs.
You're just ranting at me and not making any cogent points
No I'm saying the income is irrelevant
I did in my OP.
They literally are. That's how labor markets work.
Take a breath big guy. You're rambling.
This is you not liking the outcome of the existing labor market, not a denial of its reality.
Probably the best way to do this is to have a union with a strong enough position within the company, forcing the owners to distribute the companies profits more equitably.
Whats the actual worth of a competent CEO? Do you think you can calculate his value after reading two articles and some arbitrary numbers?
I know I am stupid but not that stupid to think I can judge a persons salary within minutes.
I'm honestly not trying to be antagonistic, I think I agree with you for the most part here.
But how can you have an interpretation of math? Isn't math objective? Isn't math the key to all rationalization?I don't understand how there could be "neofeudalist" or capitalist or communist interpretations of math.
Looks like I replied to the wrong comment here. Apologies.
You're right, it's only the CEO that's overpaid, no one else.
I didn't specify that at all?
Do you understand what cash on hand is?
You say the math is written out, and then compare one overpaid person to the number of striking workers. Pretty dumb.
And you're the one that doesn't understand cash or shareholders.
I do exactly the opposite of that, actually.
You literally have as much time as you'd like to read and parse that post, and can even ask me questions if the words are too confusing.
Hint:
This is suggesting robbing the CEO to pay Paul is not the slam dunk win people (including NIMBY Robert Reich) think it is.
You don't even understand your own words, amazing.
Are you actually illiterate?
You're the one who thinks that the CEO to worker pay ratio is literally only about the CEO. You also think that cash on hand can be freely distributed to workers if that's what management wants. I'm not the idiot here. You are.
If you mean something other than CEO to worker pay, perhaps you should articulate that. You still have not made any sense whatsoever.
Cash on hand can absolutely be spent in a wide variety of ways, be it M&A, disaster scenarios, or sudden changes to business structure. That's one of the most significant purposes of cash on hand.
Have you ever worked in a senior position at a company? Ever run your own business?
Everyone who is not an idiot knows that it's about executive pay in general vs worker pay.
Way to not address the specific point I made about cash. But answer this instead: who owns the cash a company generates?
Lol this is nonsense.
First off, executives are literally workers. You claim to have an MBA in your post history yet you understand nothing about how businesses actually work
Executives are part of manager class, idiot, not the worker class.
Classes aren't real. You can tell because they mean whatever you want them to mean.
If I am doing a job for pay, I am a worker.
Every time you open your mouth, you say something even stupider than the last. Keep sucking corporate dick.
Whoa Nelly, go to you room, no ice cream for you
Reality is going to be super weird for you when your actually do graduate. Stop pretending on the internet. It's a weird look, and you never know who actually might have the experience you pretend to have
LMAO ok dude, I'm sure your vast experience eating ass at your tiny 200 person company to make your way up to manager qualifies you to make asinine comments like "herp derp look at their balance sheet to see how much they can increase pay", but you literally know less than nothing.
Good luck in school this year!
LOL I graduated a decade ago, keep embarrassing yourself
Ouch that's rough man. That makes you look even worse.
Then again you've lied here in the past so no telling what lies you're making up now.
Imagine being a corporate bootlicker and and thinking the guy pointing that out looks bad.
When have I lied?
Well you two are cute, get a room
Enough of the hyperbolic ad hominem. Chill my dude
You're goddamn right, dividends and buybacks both.