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Where did the construction workers go?
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This is why I never really went for the trades. It always seemed like winning the lottery to get an apprenticeship, at least in a large city.
It's really not. If there's a long wait then you apply for the apprenticeship and while you wait ask if they have any other training programs, most of them do, or go work non union while you wait to get in. Gaining experience will help you move up the list and you'll be starting in no time. I had absolutely 0 construction experience and waited less than a year to start in the 3rd largest city in our state.
Well I guess since you have all the answers, everyone should go home and just not fucking try. I mean, what's the point? Cryophilia here said everything is hopeless and lost. I mean, he personally applied to all of these labor unions and was given these responses. What chance do we have?
You're the one talking about how hopeless trying to work in the trades is, which it isn't. I had no experience, and knew no members before I applied. When I have come across unsafe conditions on a site I've always gotten it fixed.
You said you complained about unsafe conditions, to who? The non union contractor? Or did you talk to osha? When they cut your hours did you file for under employment? Did you do anything to actually fix the conditions for the other workers? Or did you just shrug and move on?
One of us ran into struggles, dealt with them and improved, the other cries about how it's not even worth trying. Who's head is in the sand?
Oh sir, my apologies. You only cited the impossibility of getting into a union, the danger and abuse of the work, a complete lack of regard for anyone's safety, rampant racism, sexism and nepotism...
...but I crossed a line when I summized all that into a hopeless outlook.
And applying is ALWAYS as easy as walking in with nothing but a firm handshake. Most of the time ive only needed half of that.
No, you have an issue with pessimism. You seem to give up and move on for something easy as soon as you need to show effort.
You cited why you couldn't get into a bunch of unions, but I don't think you applied to any of them. Which means you think your assumptions are universally applicable. Mine are at least based on experience, and im encouraging people to go out there and do it. You've got nothing but assumptions and excuses.
More nothing and excuses.
I'm not upset in the least, maybe you should check the tone you read me in
Well, you haven't said anything of substance yet.
And remember, I didn't just apply, I got in. So no, you don't "know more about it" than I do.