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Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)
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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[-] roastpotatothief@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That all sounds like brigading emotional nonsense. In fact, there were strong reasons for Russia to invade. It is probably true that Russia was manipulated into invading, it had no choice because of strategic decisions made by Ukraine. It's a shame none of the people you talked to were able to argue the issues sensibly.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

Lol Ukraine strategically decided not to surrender their territory, thus manipulating the peaceful Russians to invade

[-] tomatopathe@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago

Why should Russia strategically be required to invade exactly?

I've never heard a cogent argument on this point.

[-] drathvedro@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

It's because Russia sees NATO as a threat and wants to take control of Ukraine to keep buffer states on the west side. Also, to keep it'sblack sea fleet safe. Why it happened now and not sooner or later - nobody knows. The official reasoning, of course, is bullshit, just like with any other war. Not the worst one, though.

[-] roastpotatothief@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Most people haven't. We all have a filter bubble.

Here is a first draft, my attempt to provide the missing context. Please leave comments on anything bad or missing you notice. https://lemmy.ml/post/4848742

[-] tomatopathe@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

That is just a list of Russian propaganda points. There is no evidence for any of it.

[-] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 years ago

It is probably true that Russia was manipulated into invading, it had no choice because of strategic decisions made by Ukraine.

Of course Russia had a choice. Not invading a country is the easiest thing to do. I do it every day, and I have nowhere near the power and resources that Vlad Putin does.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Exactly why the choice is so easy for you.

[-] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

What do you think would've happened if Russia hadn't invaded?

[-] kazakhspy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Well here is your chance. Argue this issues sensibly.

[-] uberkalden@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Probably the tired line of NATO expansion fears. How'd that work out? Does Russia have more or less NATO countries near their borders? The invasion itself is the best sales pitch NATO could ever need.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I mean look, it's a nation we talked in to giving up it's nuclear weapons in exchange for protection and recognition by us. We really had no choice but to invade.

[-] roastpotatothief@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Background? Link?

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