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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf to c/196

That means fuck ECOWAS as a tool of the oppressors also. Critical support for ~~every~~ most coup(s) in Africa, and for the rights of Africans to demand the French and US militaries leave their country.

Critical Readings:

  • Neocolonialism by Kwame Nkrumah.
  • How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney.
  • Rethinking Ownership of Development in Africa by T.D. Harper-Shipman.

Recommended readings:

  • Unsustainable Empire: Alternative Histories of Hawaii Statehood by Dean Itsugi Saranillio.
  • Radical Markets: Uprooting Capitalism and Democracy for a Just Society by Eric A. Posner and E. Glen Weyl.
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[-] Ignacio@kbin.social 76 points 1 year ago

Critical support for every coup in Africa, and for the rights of Africans to demand the French and US militaries leave their country.

No critical support for the rights of Africans to demand the Russian and Wagner militaries leave their country? Because you're replacing one colonialism with another colonialism. Should I point out that Wagner is paid with African natural resources like diamonds? What is the difference between the exploitation from France and the exploitation from Russia?

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 6 points 1 year ago

I’ve yet to see any evidence of Wagner interference in these coups, and in fact, the countries they’ve been taking place in most recently have been countries with heavy western military presence, not Wagner. Not to mention, the suggestion that Africans are not capable of performing a coup themselves to me smells of paternalism, but that may not be your implication and I’m sorry if I misinterpreted it.

[-] Ignacio@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

I'm not talking about them performing a coup. Although I don't like coups, they're property of nobody but themselves, and eventually democracy will return.

But French troops doing bad stuff, or doing neither bad nor good stuff (that's doing nothing at all), that doesn't mean they should be replaced by another foreign nation troops, being either private or not. If we agree that African nations are sovereign enough to decide their own future, they're also sovereign enough to defend themselves, or to ask for help to neighbouring countries in exchange of nothing. But in the countries we're talking about, they asked for help to another potential colonial nation in exchange of natural resources, that could be manufactured in place, thus creating employment, wealth and other benefits.

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That’s a perspective I can understand. I was pretty disappointed to see Wagner given a mine in Burkina Faso, for sure.

I think, though, that unfortunately, it is an inevitable consequence of western reaction to the coups and their history of suppressing African sovereignty.

Fighting off jihadis(which is what Wagner is being contracted to do in Burkina Faso) is a global problem, and can’t be tackled by any one nation, especially not a poor, landlocked one like Burkina Faso. However, the wests actions in fighting Islamic extremism in Africa has been so heavily fraught with abuse of Africans among other issues that I don’t think we’ll ever see the return of trust between West Africa and the West, and so, when paired with the global Wests refusal to work with the coup governments, and tendency to issue sanctions which even further damage civilian populations while leaving governmental structures nearly untouched (and not to mention that sanctions have been proven to increase support for a regime in the majority of cases), the newly free African nations have no choice but to look to alternative economic blocs for support, and in our current world, that alternative block is essentially just Russia.

[-] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

https://archive.ph/0xLUh

Not a successful coup but rather the planning of a coup. About the recent coups, there's somewhat of a lack of information. Time will tell whether Wagner was influencing the coups. What is obvious is Wagner is certainly supported by a large portion of the population, seeing as there's Wagner flags everywhere.

Then there's also Russia + Wagner attempting to gain control over Moldova

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