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[-] Bye@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure in the old days, when there were fewer people, you could just fuck off into the forest and build yourself a cottage. If your feudal lord found out you’d be in trouble, but they didn’t have satellites or whatnot to track you down.

We have this weird unwritten assumption that the cost of technological advancement (esp medical) was our own domestication. That we sacrificed freedom and privacy for health and safety. I wonder if that’s really the case, or if it’s some bullshit post hoc justification

[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

You'd still have to work for your living in said scenario.

Nobody is gonna bring you chicken tendies three times a day in your hidden cottage.

Uncontacted hunter gathered tribes work, it's right there in the description. Not 40 hours a week, sure, but you can live a much simpler lifestyle in the wilderness on a similar work ethic.

Labor is an intrinsic requirement of human life.

[-] Bye@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Working for your own reasons is fundamentally different than laboring and having part of what you produce taken from you by an employer

[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

You can work for your own reasons right now. But you don't have the right to just grab any piece of land and confiscate it for your own use. There are too many of us for that.

[-] ATQ@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

you don't have the right to just grab any piece of land and confiscate it for your own use

Maybe not just any piece of land, but there are enormous swaths of empty land in this world that OP can fuck off to, if they’re that determined to not be a member of a society. Of course, they’re not interested in that because pioneering is to much work. 🙄

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thats why we should adhere to the principles of public ownership of land. Which used to be the case dating back to prehistoric mines shared between different factions and groups.

Examples of this are all over in the past and some rural communities but all because some powerful duts decided that human kind is inherently selfish and everyone would automatically overuse the land breaking the system. The example given is a farmer who increasingly claims a bigger part of a field to get a bigger flock of sheep or orchards.

All of it completely ignores that companies sucking the planets resources dry to the bone for profit while a farmer in a rural community has no need to increase flock if not to make profit. Proper use of public land is in the interest of everyone.

[-] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Not saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that private ownership of farmland was probably encouraged as a way to incentivize farmers - work the land yourself, do it for your self as number one beneficiary, you're more likely to work better, and not clock out (as much as possible for something like farming). Whereas people working state owned land might just say 'feck it, not my problem', picking the path of least resistance as it were. It's entirely possible that companies exploiting this came about as an unintended (initially) consequence.

There's also a situation currently where multiple small land owners rent out their land to be worked by a single well-equipped group of farmers and get paid on the yield minus whatever labour costs. This is in order to combat the inefficiency of working your own small plot of land with less powerful machinery or avoiding to invest too much in your own equipment (farm machinery is very expensive). Now the fairness of that trade-off is still questionable, but probably more than the current overall exploitation, if you have trustworthy folk.

Back to your point, human beings are incredibly selfish. You either do it for yourself and yours, or are taken advantage of by somebody doing just that. It's always the interest of everyone, it's just the definition of 'everyone' that differs

Ideally, I think public land should not be owned by anyone, not even the state. Land belongs to whomever makes use of it (and no, making use of it does not mean fencing it up and letting weeds grow because it's not profitable) and that may very well change from year to year.

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

But then you're gonna have to pay taxes to fund the military industry regardless. But at least you get more than the crumbs of your work

[-] Jumper775@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Those are both subcategories of work. You still work in either, it’s just in one case you get everything but you must do everything and in the other case you don’t get what you worked for but you instead get luxuries from society.

[-] scv@discuss.online 3 points 1 year ago

What was invented was unemployment and underemployment, both of which are unnecessary.

[-] MrBusinessMan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Wrong, people do bring me whatever sort of food I ask for, and I don’t have to work for it. That’s because I’m a successful landlord and business owner, so maybe you should stop complaining about having to work and just become successful like me and then you will realize the truth, nobody has to work if they don’t want to. Just be a success and you can enjoy a life of leisure.

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