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Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 122 points 1 year ago

Religion is the biggest scourge against humans. Controlling behavior, brainwashing the young and stolen untold trillions of $$. Fuck religion. They all need to be labeled as cults and treated as harshly.

[-] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 61 points 1 year ago

Religion, at its core, is basically rules that state "don't be a dick." Unfortunately, all of the dicks didn't get the message.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ish.

Many religions are more "don't be a dick to your fellow brothers in faith, but feel free to be a dick to others". In-group out-group dynamics were historically quite important.

You know - "don't murder", but at the same time Deuteronomy says

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.

Also

(19) “You are not to lend at interest to your brother, no matter whether the loan is of money, food or anything else that can earn interest. 21 (20) To an outsider you may lend at interest, but to your brother you are not to lend at interest, so that Adonai your God will prosper you in everything you set out to do in the land you are entering in order to take possession of it.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You know - "don't murder", but at the same time Deuteronomy says

If you take each verse at face value, this is a problem and what you imply is true.

But the thing you quoted from Deuteronomy were instructions to the Israelites. It's recorded history, not instruction. You can't just point to a verse in the Bible (like Acts 8:8 "Saul, for his part, approved of his murder") and say "see? The Bible says to do bad things!"

And going deeper shows that the Mosaic Law (the laws in the old testament, excluding the ten commandments), part of which is in your second block quote, was superceded by the Law Covenant when Jesus died. Again, it was a law directed specifically at Jews of the time.

You can kinda think of the first five Bible books (called the Torah in Judaism) as a speed run of history. So much happens in terms of time covered in those five books.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

And yet the golden rule usually doesn't get written down until multiple generations after the religion is formed. Took almost a century for Christianity to bother.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Some dicks created religion.

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[-] Archer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

We're doing pretty good on the king front, lets work on the priests a bit

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[-] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

"Cult" is just something the big congregation calls the small congregation.

[-] SolarMech@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago

There's a whole list of 8 points over what constitute a cult.

I don't remember the whole thing, but it was something like : Cults don't let you leave. If you do leave, your family and friends who are still in the cult will not speak to you. Cults control you in details. They make sure you are tired at the end of the day, too tired to think for yourself. Cults make you dependent financially. Once you are that deep in, leaving means starting over economically.

There's more, but it is different from how most people experience mainstream religions (I mean there are pockets here and there that are very cultish, but really the religion as a whole is a different beast that just works differently than an actual cult).

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Tell me more about how you've never been in a church in the south.

[-] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I've been to multiple churches in the south, like everywhere some are better some are worse.

[-] ChewTiger@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

IDK, if we're comparing scourges against humanity I'd say "the rich" in general are worse, be they kings, CEOs, religious icons, politicians, or whatever. Their pursuit of money and the power to keep that money corrupts everything. They ruin everything from companies to countries and even religions (makes them even worse).

Really though, the most evil thing is cancer. It kills indiscriminately and tortures its victims the whole way. Even if you win, you never get the peace of knowing it's truly gone. True evil.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Really though, the most evil thing is cancer

Another reason why, if God exists at all, they're not worth a penny of my income or a moment of my time.

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[-] stingpie@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Calling religion the biggest scourge on humanity is a huge exageratrion. I'd probably say slavery is significantly worse, and human trafficking shows no signs of stopping. Capitalism is also clearly worse, and it's the most impactful force today. A large reason religion, and specifically Christianity, has gotten worse in recent years is because of the influence of capitalism.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Agreed.

I'll gain an iota of respect for Frankie and Catholics when they unilaterally decide to stop donating money to this church until they purge all of the child rapists and reform their teachings on confessions so child rapists are no longer protected.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

You think the Pope donates money to the church?

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like the similar sentiment from a while back:

The messengers and the prophets will come to you and give you what belongs to you. You, in turn, give them what you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what belongs to them?'

  • Jesus (but in a text buried in a jar for centuries after becoming punishable by death for just possessing it)
[-] LazyBane@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Religion can fuel some truly abhorrent things, but at the same time I know people who have used religion and faith to pull themselves out of a really bad spot in life.

There can be a middle ground between admonishing all religious practices and dogmatic bible thumpers, and that starts with religion being a understood as a personal choice and how people interpret the religion being a reflection on their self and not the every religious person ever.

[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

No. Religion is a scam. Lies to all it's members. Steals from anyone that tithes or donates anything, including their time.

[-] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Modern day religion. In the past your faith was quite important and dictated morals. It's unfortunate it's been so twisted over the years. And by past I'm not just saying the 50s, but even back in the 1500s.

[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Religion has sucked shit since it started & the first scam artist started stealing $ in the name of a fake "god".

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