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[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Uh the nation of Finland with its tiny itsy bitsy army would like to have a word.

Or Sweden, renowned for its centuries old tradition of US-dependency, especially their reliability on air assets to upkeep sovereignty.

Simple as.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago

That... proves what they said

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

If you have any knowledge at all from the countries in question or the world in general, you would've understood the sarcasm. Now you just prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

Finland has a massive army and Sweden is renowned for its air power. These are not secrets, but well-known facts that even slightly educational people know. Unlike you.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Dude it's an alliance of western powers. No matter how proud the Nords are of their armies, they are ultimately dependent on the military and financial domination of the US.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago
[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Let's see literally any one of those countries try to go socialist and see how long it takes for the US to invade and coup them.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

That's debatable, but you haven't answered the question.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago

Look it's hard to put a definite date on it, because capitalism didn't just happen in one day. It happened over centuries. The european alliance had its roots in the colonial rush for the New World, and later Africa. After squabbling over territories, they learned they could make more money by cooperating and exploiting the poor countries together. And it's been like that ever since about 1900.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Finland has been in an alliance for less than a year. Sweden hasn't been in an alliance in centuries.

Do people actually talk this enthusiastically on subjects they have no knowledge of? Scary, but explains a lot

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

There are more types of alliance than military, dude. Global capitalism be like that.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

And this thread is talking about military alliances. So stay on topic.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago
[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Damn those must have prevented war in ukraine

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Is there a point being made with this comment?

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes. Friendships dont prevent wars. Official alliances do

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Deterrents are not absolute. Also, I don't know how you're not aware of this, but it was Ukraine's announcement they'd be joining NATO that provoked Russia. That doesn't sound like an alliance preventing war, does it... As I said - deterrents are not absolute. They never are. Police and prison (allegedly) deter crime, for instance.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

it was Ukraine’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia

Boggles me how some people actually think this. Finland's announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia into a second war, right? No wait

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's a stupid fucking reason but it's the one Putin gave. It was a convenient excuse for his imperialist ambitions.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Eh? What putin says is irrelevant to reality, please stop using him as a source. If you're about to tell me joining NATO is a reason for wars to break out please make sure it's real first lmao.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So you're gonna tell me it's about the Nazis in Ukraine and you think he's just going there to liberate them? Yeah right.

EDIT: FFS you got me distracted again. Just like you wanted, I forgot my initial point was just that deterrents aren't absolute, and alliances do not necessarily deter war - and this is just one example.

Whether Ukraine joining NATO was the actual reason the war broke out, them planning to join NATO didn't STOP the war, did it?

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Again with using putin as a source, what's wrong with you? :D Anyway, there are some geopolitical analysts you could be interested who have way more credible takes on the issue than you, me or honestly putin. Personally I'm an unapologetic Zeihanist but Fukuyama is another author with great analysis on reality.

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