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Uh the nation of Finland with its tiny itsy bitsy army would like to have a word.
Or Sweden, renowned for its centuries old tradition of US-dependency, especially their reliability on air assets to upkeep sovereignty.
Simple as.
That... proves what they said
If you have any knowledge at all from the countries in question or the world in general, you would've understood the sarcasm. Now you just prove you have no idea what you are talking about.
Finland has a massive army and Sweden is renowned for its air power. These are not secrets, but well-known facts that even slightly educational people know. Unlike you.
Dude it's an alliance of western powers. No matter how proud the Nords are of their armies, they are ultimately dependent on the military and financial domination of the US.
Really? Starting when?
Let's see literally any one of those countries try to go socialist and see how long it takes for the US to invade and coup them.
That's debatable, but you haven't answered the question.
Look it's hard to put a definite date on it, because capitalism didn't just happen in one day. It happened over centuries. The european alliance had its roots in the colonial rush for the New World, and later Africa. After squabbling over territories, they learned they could make more money by cooperating and exploiting the poor countries together. And it's been like that ever since about 1900.
Finland has been in an alliance for less than a year. Sweden hasn't been in an alliance in centuries.
Do people actually talk this enthusiastically on subjects they have no knowledge of? Scary, but explains a lot
There are more types of alliance than military, dude. Global capitalism be like that.
And this thread is talking about military alliances. So stay on topic.
...is it?
Damn those must have prevented war in ukraine
Is there a point being made with this comment?
Yes. Friendships dont prevent wars. Official alliances do
Deterrents are not absolute. Also, I don't know how you're not aware of this, but it was Ukraine's announcement they'd be joining NATO that provoked Russia. That doesn't sound like an alliance preventing war, does it... As I said - deterrents are not absolute. They never are. Police and prison (allegedly) deter crime, for instance.
Boggles me how some people actually think this. Finland's announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia into a second war, right? No wait
Yeah, it's a stupid fucking reason but it's the one Putin gave. It was a convenient excuse for his imperialist ambitions.
Eh? What putin says is irrelevant to reality, please stop using him as a source. If you're about to tell me joining NATO is a reason for wars to break out please make sure it's real first lmao.
So you're gonna tell me it's about the Nazis in Ukraine and you think he's just going there to liberate them? Yeah right.
EDIT: FFS you got me distracted again. Just like you wanted, I forgot my initial point was just that deterrents aren't absolute, and alliances do not necessarily deter war - and this is just one example.
Whether Ukraine joining NATO was the actual reason the war broke out, them planning to join NATO didn't STOP the war, did it?
Again with using putin as a source, what's wrong with you? :D Anyway, there are some geopolitical analysts you could be interested who have way more credible takes on the issue than you, me or honestly putin. Personally I'm an unapologetic Zeihanist but Fukuyama is another author with great analysis on reality.
Did you read what I said?? I was discrediting that claim you fucking loon.
Okay, I surrender. You are a great troll. You win. You made me mad.
This has to be a joke. Okay, maybe you do know a couple of things, because you can only have included this because you must know I'm aware of the claim of "The End Of History" and how absolutely ludicruous that is.
If you truly think neoliberal capitalism is how humanity is meant to live, and that we wil never and can never progress beyond it, you are hopelessly naive and sheltered.
But, back to the actual point, before I let you distract me again:
Why do you feel the need to specifically discredit putins claims? Alright if it was sarcasm but even that aught to make sense mate
Aight my boy has not yet learned that an author can make great analysis even if you don't personally agree with the outcome of his analysis. Once you graduate high school you'll get used to nuances like that in literature.
No. Because planning to join doesn't mean they joined already. Had they joined no war would've broken out. Simple as. It's crazy how reality, out of all things, is the one thing you refuse to believe.
I think I'm being trolled here but if you actually don't know about the concepts of finlandization or Sweden's neutrality I have no clue how you can keep a straight face lying
You are saying Finland and Sweden had no deterrence during their respective times of neutrality.
And social democracy is when US spends money on military? Yo what?
I have no idea how you speak to me like thay when you are unaware what neutrality means.
I'm being trolled
Sources: alternative reality that came to me in a dream
A: rus*ia spends more money on military, thus making Sweden its protectorate. Finland's welfare is provided by the philippines who also spend more money on defense (probably, idk, you get my point)
B: like the time US deterred winter war that didnt happen
C: false. Countries like Finland and Sweden have always upheld militaries to protect themselves, alone, like we have done. Alone. Without US help despite relations, since neutrality is a thing. Look it up
D: god I wish, that would have meant my grandfather wouldnt have had to evacuate from karelia as a little boy while communists were raining arty on the train he managed to get himself into while his father stayed, fought and died. But actually US spent more money on military so it didnt happen. Actually no wars have been fought in countries allied with the US.
A: being friendly does not prevent existential wars, please check, uhh, idk, reality?
B: lmao alright, if the voices in your head say so
C: nato actually means not nato. What a take bro
D: Hahaha