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The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"

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[-] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yes. granted, I haven't been in beehaws groups very long, but they look to me as other progressive lgbtqia/transgender groups do.

To me, people should be able to hear all sides, all points of view, all experiences, and share beliefs, medical science, etc. This way, someone can make up their own mind about things. The reason I say beehaw's way of doing things is harmful isn't only that people push a particular direction, but because they discourage any alternative points of view (declaring it "harmful").

Preventing this person from hearing any other point of view than "yeah totally go explore crossdressing and speak with a gender therapist who will likely urge you to transition" is harmful. Even if that's the right thing for this person.

Ultimately though this is getting into the weeds of interactions in lgbtqia communities, and kinda getting away from the point which is: what someone considers harmful can vary wildly. To me, harmful means someone being harmed physically, mentally, medically, or attacking someone with slurs or harassing a community by antagonizing them. to beehaw, "harmful" clearly means "sharing information that goes against their beliefs" and it seems many people in this thread also think a mere disagreement is "harmful".

And that's my point. Defederating all who disagree quickly leads to echochambers which can reinforce harmful behaviors by failing to be exposed to alternative points of view. And to defederate based on "harm" is unclear. different people think different things are harmful.

Some people think all porn is harmful. Should every instance then defederate from any instance that allows nsfw content?

[-] Alue42@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

speak with a gender therapist who will likely urge you to transition

THIS^^^^ is where YOU are harmful. NO therapist will EVER urge someone to transition for whom it is not the right option, and to say so is demonstrably incorrect. This is an outright fallacy created by the anti-trans movement.

Everyone in that thread was clearly open to the OP being exposed to any and all options. However, claiming that a gender therapist will likely urge them to transition IS HARMFUL because it it's untrue, and I am ok with those thoughts not being allowed on that instance.

I truly feel for you that you've been hurt and are still finding your way to happiness, but that is simply not what happens in gender therapy. You don't simply "have information to share that goes against their beliefs", you want to spread misinformation under the guise of it being "medical/scientific" and "sharing all sides". If this is what you have actually gone through and your lived experience, I truly feel for you that you feel you were misled or urged, but please focus on finding happiness instead of continuing this dangerous rhetoric

[-] Alue42@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

speak with a gender therapist who will likely urge you to transition

THIS^^^^ is where YOU are harmful. NO therapist will EVER urge someone to transition for whom it is not the right option, and to say so is demonstrably incorrect. This is an outright fallacy created by the anti-trans movement.

Everyone in that thread was clearly open to the OP being exposed to any and all options. However, claiming that a gender therapist will likely urge them to transition IS HARMFUL because it it's untrue, and I am ok with those thoughts not being allowed on that instance.

I truly feel for you that you've been hurt and are still finding your way to happiness, but that is simply not what happens in gender therapy. You don't simply "have information to share that goes against their beliefs", you want to spread misinformation under the guise of it being "medical/scientific" and "sharing all sides". If this is what you have actually gone through and your lived experience, I truly feel for you that you feel you were misled or urged, but please focus on finding happiness instead of continuing this dangerous rhetoric.

[-] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

NO therapist will EVER urge someone to transition for whom it is not the right option, and to say so is demonstrably incorrect.

This actually isn't the case. I've spoken with probably 6 therapists and psychiatrists at this point and not one actually bothered to be careful about diagnosis. In California it's literally illegal for a medical professional to suggest someone might not need to transition.

This is an outright fallacy created by the anti-trans movement.

And yet I experienced it? And not even just for trans stuff, but medical stuff as a whole. There's way too many doctors out there ready to push prescription medications when simply asked. The "transgender" and lgbtqia communities actively suggest lying to therapists as well to get on meds despite any warnings they might have. I was told this directly by lgbtqia communities. that I should lie to my therapist to get on hormones. That actually happened.

However, claiming that a gender therapist will likely urge them to transition IS HARMFUL because it it's untrue,

Except it's not untrue? I and others have experienced just that.

but that is simply not what happens in gender therapy.

And yet it is? I can't say I've ever experienced any pushback from doctors in the 7 years I've been seeing them. not a single "hold on lets slow down and do things right" just all "full speed ahead". It's shocking and appalling.

You don't simply "have information to share that goes against their beliefs", you want to spread misinformation under the guise of it being "medical/scientific" and "sharing all sides".

And here again you prove my point. what someone thinks is "misinformation" will differ from person to person.

I truly feel for you that you feel you were misled or urged, but please focus on finding happiness instead of continuing this dangerous rhetoric.

I think your rhetoric is dangerous and you think mine is dangerous. Which is literally my point.

[-] Alue42@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Literally everything in this comment is YOUR EXPERIENCE, at least your perception of it. If you were to go around saying "here is what I experienced" that would be absolutely FINE! But that's not what you are doing, you are saying "speak with a gender therapist who will likely urge you to transition" is objective fact. Don't even share the stories of those you've spoken with as lived experience because those are second hand stories and therefore unreliable. I'm not saying that the people you've spoken with can't be trusted, but the mere nature of the fact that the are secondhand means they are coming from an unreliable narrator.

You are literally incorrect about that law in California - I live in California, and that is one thousand percent not a law, and I know the law to which you are referring that got distorted over social media and you didn't even get that correct and twisted even further to fit your narrative.

No one in those comments said anything about lying to therapist's to get on hormones. Meds were never mentioned except in people's anecdotes. The only things commenters were encouraging OP to do were to think things through. And no, misinformation does not change from person to person. There are things that are factual and things that are not. You went from stating items as facts in the being to later revealing them as your anecdotal experience, which may simply be your perceived experience.

What exactly about my comments do you find harmful? I explained, multiple times, that your anecdotal experience does not equate to the entirety of the profession or the community.

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