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[-] zewm@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago

Iโ€™m shocked it even has any users tbh.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 23 hours ago

The website cert is the one that expires. It doesn't impact anything else about the distro. The package mirrors are on different hosts (and certs). It's a good distro, wish they'd sort out the kerfuffle with the founder (who's the one holding them back).

[-] Kazel@feddit.org 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

we know and no it is no good distro. fucking leechers

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It was part of my linux journey long ago, and TBH I bet many still run into in from historical recommendations and popularity.

But I think CachyOS is taking over their "preconfigured arch with the most SEO" spot.

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 17 points 2 days ago

Well, Manjaro popped up when a lot of people cannot install Arch on their own. Same thing with Ubuntu and Debian. Once a userbase formed, people follow suit I guess.

[-] octobob@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I mean they have their own repos and take a position of "hardened updates" that are two weeks older than the bleeding edge ones of Arch. I used it briefly out of curiosity a couple years ago. It seemed generally fine, although I seem to remember having issues with some AUR stuff. That's kinda to be expected and could even just be general fuckery on the part of the package maintainers, not manjaro. It could also be on manjaro's fault lol.

I've just stuck to Arch since then. Garuda and endeavour OS are both cool but I don't feel like I'm gaining much by using either. And Garuda includes a bunch of packages that I don't even want.

I'm more interested in what manjaro can do in the mobile phone sphere. If they can build something viable yet fun to tinker with in the next few years that has a rolling release schedule, it could make for a cool Linux phone. Ubuntu touch is probably the more stable choice tbh, but that's the beauty of Linux.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Manjaro was more unstable than Arch ever was, for me.

My experience was:

  • They would mess with Arch packages and muck things up.

  • It relied on AUR some, which also messed things up.

  • 3rd party repos or AUR didn't work, as its not in sync with upstream arch.

  • ...Holding back packages didn't fix anything anyway. It just delayed fixes. I found myself trying to install upstream Arch packages.

It turns out Arch Linux is more tested and "held back" than people give it credit for. There's little to gain from forking like that, instead of just contributing to upstream arch testing.

Not to mention the cert thing. Manjaro really did let certs expire many times. When I was new to linux, that took me forever to figure out.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 23 hours ago

I found myself trying to install upstream Arch packages.

You realize that's how you broke, right? It's like installing Debian packages on Ubuntu.

It relied on AUR some, which also messed things up.

How does it rely on AUR?

3rd party repos or AUR didn't work, as its not in sync with upstream arch.

What 3rd party repos?

AUR works perfectly fine.... when it works. AUR is a mess of its own. It's chock full of malware as we speak and it's not accepted as a reference on Arch or any other Arch-based distro. Saying an Arch distro "doesn't work with AUR" is completely irrelevant at the best of times.

Not to mention the cert thing. Manjaro really did let certs expire many times. When I was new to linux, that took me forever to figure out.

Did you spend a lot of time reading the webpage, or?... Because that's the only cert that expires, the mirros and the forums never did. What exactly were you figuring out?

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Whoa nellie.

This was many years ago, when I didnt know much about linux, and yes many lessons were learned. Though I distinctly remember instances where I couldnt update Manjaro packages because of expired certs.

To clarify some points:

  • On packages/AUR, I was desperate, because upstream Arch had some critical fixes that werent shipped to Manjaro yet. Clearly this didnt work out well.

  • AUR specifically breaks with Manjaro because AUR targets upstream arch as a base. When a dependant Arch package updates, the AUR package immediately updates to that new dependecy if its being maintained. But since Manjaro delays the upstream updates, this AUR package will break if its updated.

  • Yes, I know AUR is filled with malware now.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 22 hours ago

AUR specifically breaks with Manjaro because AUR targets upstream arch as a base. When a dependant Arch package updates, the AUR package immediately updates to that new dependecy if its being maintained. But since Manjaro delays the upstream updates, this AUR package will break if its updated.

Again, using the AUR as the standard for evaluating any Arch-based distro is really not cool.

Leaving that aside, the exact thing you've mentioned can happen on vanilla Arch, if the AUR package you are trying to install is based on Arch packages that you haven't received yet. So you'd have to upgrade your system every time you're trying to update or install an AUR package to be sure.

since Manjaro delays the upstream updates, this AUR package will break if its updated.

It won't break, it will either succeed compiling or not with the older packages. If it succeeds, no harm done. If it doesn't, you still have the previous version.

The unlikely corner case is that the new AUR package version relies on new API/features that only exist in newly released Arch packages and you absolutely must have the latest version right now. But then you're using the wrong distro for that.

I was desperate, because upstream Arch had some critical fixes that werent shipped to Manjaro yet.

Manjaro ships critical updates out of band, without waiting for regular batch updates.

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

It was a selling point for Manjaro at some point but people really shouldn't use AUR with it. That's just an invitation to a disaster. I think Manjaro is stable if you don't mix it with AUR. Used it for 6 years and the worst I remember was their Nvidia cataclysm, mostly it was fine.

Not sure if I would want to use cutting edge on mobile though. I tried PostmarketOS and Ubuntu Touch a couple years ago and Ubuntu Touch was actually daily drivable-ish. Really loved SXMO too, it's a way different mobile experience.

Honestly, I installed it on my 2nd laptop and workstation because I really wanted the AUR, but got tired of Arch unstable update process 15 years ago and left Linux for personal use for MacOS. It still has everything I want on my main laptop, home brew and a terminal with tmux.

It just works and I just couldn't be arsed reinstalling, but yeah, if I would, I would just use Arch again now.

[-] toddestan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'm also in the club of having a couple of Manjaro installs that now date back a few years to when it was still cool.

Honestly as a distro it works pretty well and my complaints are few. If I had to reinstall I'd take a closer look at CachyOS, EndeavourOS, or even just Arch, but I can't really be bothered to replace something that's working just fine so I'll stick with it for now.

[-] radiouser@crazypeople.online 2 points 2 days ago

I use EndeavourOS (from Manjaro a lifetime ago) no complaints.

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