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Ukraine running out of options to retake significant territory (www.washingtonpost.com)
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[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Negotiate an end to the war.

Russia refuses to give back the lands seized.

Now what to you do?

I’d support a UN monitored vote in the Donbass region and Crimea (and any other contested area) on whether they want to join Russia or stay with Ukraine.

Not an option the Ukrainian gov will accept. Nor should they.
When parts of the USA wanted to leave that was not response from the USA.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I don't expect Russia to give back lands seized. I expect the will of voters to be respected by both sides.

The Ukrainian government will accept any option we give them. They're our puppet.

When parts of the USA wanted to leave that was not resonance from the USA.

That sure as hell wasn't democratic! It's not like Black people got a vote.

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I expect the will of voters to be respected by both sides.

We are talking reality here not what you want.

That has already been rejected. It is not an option.

Again: Russia will not leave, Ukraine will accept nothing but a return to the pre-invasion 2014 borders.

What do you propose?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

What the fuck are you talking about? Crimea had a vote, they voted to join. There hasn't been a vote in the Donbass.

Ukraine will do whatever the fuck we want because they are slaves to the infinite money spigot.

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Ah, so you do think Putin and those like him should be able to do what ever they want.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Why do you make up shit?

I think Russia can be made to comply with a peace agreement, but it has to be a negotiation. That means give and take.

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the confirmation.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Enjoy 20 years of the next foreverwar.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

There is absolutely no chance that Russia can survive 20 years of war. They're on the ropes after one and a half.

[-] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

"Crimea had a vote" lmao.

And Biden stole the election, too, huh?

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Rofl. You expect russia, whos already announced putin has won his next election, to respect the will of the people.

Would you like to buy the Brooklyn Bridge as well? I got the title right here.

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