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Water tribe is the closest since they actually elect their leaders, but I wouldn't even go that far. Fire nation are fascists who most definitely don't hold elections, even sham ones like a liberal democracy being overtaken by fascists. Earth kingdom is pretty much a stand-in for China. Air nomads are probably closest to Tibet if anything.
Weird that you have to go into a user's profile to make an argument though.
Do you realize they elect their leaders, or representants, in China? Do you know a lick about the Chinese system? Liberalism is proto facism, every liberal government was licking Hitler's boots in the 1930s, so the Fire Nation is what happens after the ultimate Liberalism, in which unchecked competition and social darwinism win. Do air nomads have slavery like they do in Tibet? And the Earth Kingdom is way more akin to the late Feudal/Early National Mercantilist European regions.
It was worth, because we had this conversation.
I actually didn’t even get what you meant by “4 nations” until boonhet pointed it out, heh.
I don’t know what you’re going on about; Earth Kings, Queens, tons of Earth Kingdom names and places (like the Forbidden Palace) are clear references to ancient Chinese history. Including the Dai Li. It doesn’t have much to do with modern China though; the Earth Kingdom never moved out of the past until it burned to the ground.
Air Nomad names are Tibetan. Tenzin. Gyatso. If those mountain temples aren’t Tibetan, I don’t know what is. And they all died to imperialist invaders, simply because they wouldn’t cooperate. They were quite traditional in their own way though (including living with sexes separated), and all we really see of their government is some kind of elder council.
The Fire Nation islands were largely ruled by regional, despotic clans until Fire Lord rather shrewdly and brutally consolidated power into a single royal lineage. Then they decided to spread the “gift” of their industrialization and culture around the world, trying to enforce a singular culture. The only thing “liberal” about them (for a time) was some social norms, like those around gender; we see a lot of female Fire nation troops in all eras, for instance, and some progressive feeling institutions within.
The Water Tribes were notoriously close-knit, traditional, conservative. I think they were more of an elder theocracy until the modern era, and even that was kind of a struggle.
Republic City was modeled after New York and Hong Kong, but TBH has a lot in common with the rest of modern China too? Some of the structures are Southeast Asian. The origin complicates things too; they were Earth Kingdom, invaded and modernized into a Fire Nation colony, who then gained their independence post-world-war.
…We have the subcultures I guess. Or the villains. Amon was basically a populist communist (and right about a lot) with some family issues, Unalaq a megalomaniac theocrat, Zaheer was an anarchist straight from db0 (and made some good points TBH), Kuvira was kind of Tech Bro Hitler, yet she also saved the Earth Kingdom from total anarchy when no one else would. The context is different though. They don’t really have the context of those ideologies in the worlds’ history.
The references aren’t pure; the creators were clear that each place is multicultural and fictional, not an expy of a nation, but I think that makes the references more interesting.
But the whole theme of the franchise is that no one nation, no individual, no political system or movement, is really a pure good or bad. They all exist in a difficult balance with each other. So I don’t think using the four nations as some kind of “liberal analogue” is very constructive.
You're going for the shallow likeness, I'm going for the essence. AND the creators are in a liberal environment with all of its prejudices and propaganda.
I'm not even saying the show runners are right in what they are trying to say, not that they even convey with competency what they were trying to - this right here is trashy post modernism ("people have their own truths" Yeah, like Nazis and Zionists)
What this makes clear is that you're a liberal and I'm not. And nothing more.
Call me whatever you wish. It’s fine.
This about sums up my experience with Lemmy.ml though. Even seemingly tangential threads, like, say…. checks thread title a Linux kernel article inevitably trigger Godwin’s law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
And then some kind of black-and-white political litmus test.
Don't let this nut sully your views on actual leftists, most of us are pretty sensible. ❤️
They are very likely a bot anyways lol
I know what you mean. I like lemmy.ml, mostly. I’m kinda a nut/weirdo too.
I like my internet full of weirdos, like a zoo. It makes it feel like the old internet, and honestly I think it’s good for the soul. Like, imagine if everyone got that kind of exposure instead of the bubbles they live in now.
What isn't black and white, except neoliberal conformity? Surviving a war against the Evil Empire? B&W. Fighting against the lap dogs of the Evil Empire? B&W. Genocide enforcers and enablers are bad people? B&W. Starving a population that won't give their land to resorts for the filthy rich? B&W.
I’m confused. Are we still talking about Avatar?
Well… just as one examples in the original series, Iroh was one of the worst war criminals the world had ever seen. It’s hard to argue he isn’t gray. If he had been seen as B&W, things would have not recovered.
We never talked about Avatar. War criminals only deserve one sentence.
But I guess the show was successful in relativizing war crimes to children and nurturing good citizens for the Empire.