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[-] Strider@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

... in the United States

This is the internet. Please consider the audience to be worldwide.

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Unless your country has specific laws to the contrary or is too poor/civilized to have this sort of "lazy parent" food, presume that any of the factory-made shelf-stable food in your grocery aisle is as bad as the equivalent sold in the USA.

(And find out of your country's food laws are actually better than the USA, or just "feel" better because the same exact product can just list fewer ingredients )

[-] gwl 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The former. In about 75% of the world.

American unable to imagine a part of the world where things are better, typical

They're legally mandated to have a table for every type of nutrient ( fats, trans fats, carbohydrates - split into subcategories of carbohydrate and carbohydrate sugars, salts, etc) in every packet of things sold as a Edible Product in which it has 2 rows - in a serving, v daily recommendation. In all of EU, and also in the UK. Asia is if anything even more stringent about it then we are and culturally prefer things as unprocessed as possible.

We don't ban unhealthy foods as long as they're not literally toxic, but this makes it so everyone makes informed decisions, and over time it has effected sales for unhealthy food, they have worse sales than healthier options

[-] Kiernian@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

They're legally mandated to have a table for every type of nutrient ( fats, trans fats, carbohydrates - split into subcategories of carbohydrate and carbohydrate sugars, salts, etc) in every packet of things sold as a Edible Product in which it has 2 rows - in a serving, v daily recommendation.

Ww have all of that in America as well. I had a great deal of confusion on this subject until the specific definition of one of the words involved was given to me. The problem in discussion here isn't labelling, or even ingredients, the problem is what's DONE to the ingredients before they get in the food. While some degree of processing happens to most food (Chickens are deboned, corn is nixtamalized, tomatoes are stewed) the issue here is the extreme level of processing rhe ingredients go through. Corn and Cardboard are both high in carbohydrates and fiber, after all, cardboard is mostly plant matter rendered down and cooked/shaped, but one is food and the other has been processed so thoroughly that it's not.

Many companies are rendering their ingredients so thoroughly before reassembling them that they're resembling "food" less and less and not doing great things for us nutritionally even though they still measure at certain levels on the packaging. Maybe Jaffa Cakes retain more of the base nutrtion level of the flour in them than twinkies do, but it's the same base processes occurring to both of their ingredients, just at different levels.

[-] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago

Consumer protection laws are really alien to folks from the states it seems.

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

You really don't know what you're talking about.

I bet you'd also argue that there is "free speech" in the UK, where a billionaire can still literally sue someone into poverty for accurately describing them. Or the same in Germany, where an advocate against the Palestinian genocide was arrested for "denying Israel"

[-] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

I'm not from either of those countries, are you a person that likes to put words in other people's mouths? 'Cause it sure as fuck sounds like you do.

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

I tend to speculate negatively when people hurl unfounded insults without disclosing the reason for their perspective.

I encouraged people to not assume that their local regulation's are "better than the USA" because the same greed that causes so much waste in the USA is also present in literally every human country. And you decided that this meant my country doesn't have consumer protection of any kind.

If it makes you feel better, tell me what country you are from and I'll take the time to look for an appropriate example of your country fucking up in a way that wouldn't happen in the USA.

[-] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago

Belgium, good luck. I don't need to know what country you're from. Your ignorance is telling (but it's also bliss, so lucky you).

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

You're right, it's hard to find distinct history for a middle European country that was a footnote for most of your small and young country's history.

But the internet provides.

Even if we exclude both your country's precursor states and the various wrongs attributsble to the European Union you were substantially responsible for, Belgium:

  • has a literal king
  • didnt ban slavery until decades after the USA
  • lagged similarly in gay rights (albeit you're easily on par with the bluest stars in the USA)
  • let your king annex part of a foreign continent as a subservient colony (and kept that colony until the 1960s!)

And, while I'm neither a lawyer nor sufficiently fluent in French or German to read your laws directly, it sure as fuck looks like you've got the same sort of repressive defamation laws that let JK Rowling bully Amnesry UK into apolgizjng for accuratky describing her.

http://legaldb.freemedia.at/legal-database/belgium/

Based on your country's recent "hard-right" swing, you might acthally see your own neo-autocrat soon, who would absolutely weaponize those laws if they haven't already started.

If truth and honesty are not both separately prefect defenses to accusations of defamation, you don't have free speech in the ways that actually matter.

[-] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

So you did a quick shit-GTP search and now you know more about my country's history than I learnt in 6 years of history, about my country?

Wow. True American.

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Is that supposed to be a rebuttal, or did your "6 years of history" not include how to structure an argument?

I told you it'd be simple to find something your country did worse than the USA, and I found five plausible examples, including one of the glaring eurozone issues I'd suggested before. I'm actually surprised that "slavery" and "LGBTQ rights" are plausibly on there.

I would hope that a learned historian such as yourself would know better than to assume that their country is uniqjely benevolent, but people who know that usually don't start mounting off about foreign countries and then start sputtering when someone points out their own country's failings.

Was your educational study an academic focus or just the primary education propaganda that every industrialized country in the world feeds their citizens?

[-] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

I never said I was a historian. I just had 6 years of history like everyone gets in our educational system. You keep assuming, my man. We actually learn a lot about the black days in our country's (small) history. Our schools aren't tainted (yet). Don't know about the US of A though, but what I'm hearing through the grape vine is not making me very excited for your future academics.

[-] Strider@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Holy shit, the propaganda has really done a number on your perspective and I'm tired to pretend it didnt.

It's you, not the rest of the world, that is different.

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Lmao. Ameribrain at work.

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