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Most comments complaining about vibe-coding are just butt-hurt programmers who are annoyed that Joe Schmoe can produce a decent looking website in about 20 minutes without having had to waste their formative years nerding out on forums and chasing stray semicolons.
Every time someone on here says "hey, I made a cool (but harmless) interactive tool/map/website" the top comment is always "this looks vibecoded as hell" or "whats with claude.md, asshole?". I'm all for the democratization of the economy so that social welfare, de-growth, environmental regulation and technological caution are rewarded instead of punished- including halting the datacenters and LLM proliferation for a few decades at least. But ya'll sound like professional chefs complaining that the neighbour bought a microwave and a thermomix.. or whining that they pimped out a cake mix instead of baking one from scratch. Just chill and maybe try to be helpful instead.
Eeeeh. I disagree. Disclosure: I’m a developer.
Can AI write code? Yes. In fact I’ll sometimes give it obtuse code I wrote and ask if there’s a way to simplify it, then use that as a jumping board on where I might want to head.
You know what else it does? Not understand context, or situations it hasn’t been made explicitly aware of.
I’ve given it plenty of things that it spit back just plainly incorrect or fundamentally altered code. Sometimes it’s just ignoring best security practices, sometimes it’s trying to use a string as an int, sometimes it just makes up “standard” functions that don’t actually exist because someone one said “wouldn’t it be nice is int.ThisFunctionName existed and did specific thing?”
Anyone shitting on AI for spitting out code is missing the point. Vibe coding is fine for personal projects that never get released to the world, but the moment you’re trying to build a business on top, or want to release it? Vibe coding is downright dangerous. There have been a number of vibe coded websites that were just sitting open for anyone to look at the personal information, because no one who knew what they were doing was involved.
That's a subjective fucking standard. And the LLMs learned from corporate standards, which are using 6 frameworks and then just adding basic gradients to make it look "fancy".
It's usually not having enough that's a problem? And then you just look at the error, it says " line 12", and you add the damn semicolon. And if it's not on line 12, add on line 11. And then you get used to fucking adding semicolons.
Good luck maintaining that code
The reason programmers are complaining is because the LLM stole our code to do so.
Fair. But my impression is that passing snippets around has been standard practice since the beginning. What makes the code yours, in my opinion, is the application of the snippets and the creativity involved. I don't see the LLMs as threatening this in a big way, yet.
"this looks vibe coded" doesn't mean "we don't like your project because it used ai"
it means "your project for fucking sure does not do what you think it does because you are not a skilled developer enough to understand the code that the AI generated for you"
to which the counterargument the slopper would throw is "I wrote tests for requirements and the tests are passing"
how would a slipper know the code generated fits the requirements vs strictly only passes test cases ?
This is a helpful clarification, thanks. Then my question to you is, should the viber cease and desist? Is this not a valid way for them to foment an interest in software/tool/website development? Surely if their code has deep issues, they'll discover that eventually and maybe learn from it, right?
Like, someone could try to learn a language by only using an ai translator. It's lazy and not as effective, but I wouldn't discourage someone from pursuing the language on account of that.
I am Java developer, and I don't understand how exactly JVM works, for example. I'm not sure, how much my app will consume memory and CPU resources. I don't know when garbage collector will do their work. I even don't know what JIT and AOT compilation. And this doesn't prevent me from doing good, effective and useful things. May be they are not the best. Maybe writing them on C or assembler will be more optimized and effective. But anyway, I am OK with that and trying to accept vibe coding same way, as I accept myself and my job.
Difference is that vibe coding doesn't create 20% more CPU usage or 30% more RAM usage because it doesn't understand the underlying mechanics (or, it could but that is not the important part). LLMs will happily provide you with solutions that consists of plain text password storage, leaking personal information through open APIs, and business crushing vulnerabilities. A sharp developer should be able to catch that, but if you're reviewing 5000+ line PRs daily that's been spat out by LLMs it'll be impossible to catch all failures. And for someone who doesn't know all those nonfunctional requirements that a business absolutely must have it'll become a nightmare for the receiver of the code.
So to be clear: For functional requirements LLMs are a bit better but still needs hand holding. For nonfunctional requirements they're dog shit as that's the part that more often than not has to explicitly be mentioned. And being able to identify nonfunctional requirements and when they're not met is the difference between a junior dev and a 10+ year lead.
Slow app? Just add resources. Vulnerable app? Actual compliance and business risk.