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... unless the person works voluntarily, that is.

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[-] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 18 points 18 hours ago

Not vegan so correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought the whole point of veganism was an objection to the non-consensual use of animal products. Humans are aware of the use of their labor and consent to it, exploitation by circumstance notwithstanding.

[-] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 2 points 24 minutes ago

I do not consent, no. I only go to work because otherwise I am threatened by homelessness.

[-] GaumBeist@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago

Consent is a bad metric because it ignores externalities—stuff like economic incentives, implicit threats of loss of basic needs, propaganda, trauma. Someone can be said to consent to exploitation, even if they only did so to continue surviving under oppressive economies/states. I "consent" to have the value of my labor extracted, pooled, and distributed to business owners in the same way I "consent" to the privacy policies (and the sale of my Personally Identifying Information) of the software the company I work for requires us to use (to remain employed)

That's why I prefer focusing on exploitation. Someone doesn't have to know they're being exploited, agree that they're being exploited, nor even want to not be exploited for it to still be unjust to exploit them and identify when it is happening. Veganism is a stance against animal exploitation.

[-] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago

i do think that "voluntary" is a pretty clear term. would you still do it if it didn't cost you anything, and it also didn't get you any physical reward?

[-] SorryImLate@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

Define "physical reward"?

I would argue that the good feeling from a well done job counts as a physical reward 🙂 and is a necessary motivational feedback. If you mean monetary or resource awards, I agree.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That good feeling is a psychological reward. It is not physical. You cannot hold it, touch it, or give it to someone else for doing a job.

[-] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 4 points 16 hours ago

exploitation by circumstance notwithstanding

yeah that was exactly what i was referring to. as long as we'd rather stay in bed in the morning, we're not doing it voluntarily. and be honest, do you go to work voluntarily? would you still do it if you didn't need the money? if so, then yes, it is vegan.

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 points 23 minutes ago

Wait... So unless food magically appears with no labor at all, because labor isn't fun, no food is vegan?

So no food is vegan other than literal windfall fruit from a tree? Or does picking it up could as labor?

Religions are less strict

[-] markz@suppo.fi 6 points 18 hours ago
[-] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 7 points 18 hours ago

The OP was a little vague to me, but I'm also a little drunk.

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