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The world’s top chess federation has ruled that transgender women cannot compete in its official events for females until an assessment of gender change is made by its officials.

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[-] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That isn't the problem. The problem is how it has been naturally male-dominant makes it naturally unfriendly to other groups in the first place.

Not everyone is comfortable with this. By a large margin. The dedication of an event for women only creates that comfort zone.

This situation, and I humbly state I mean no fallacy, is strikingly similar to STEM education. Nobody is preventing them from joining, nobody cares if anyone likes it or not, but the fact that it is dominated by a specific group in the "open" field makes it less appealing to the other groups.

[-] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Alright, so woman want to have a woman's only chess club to dominate their club with a gender because they feel the regular club is dominated by another gender. Id assume though, woman could play in the normal club dominated by men if they choose to? All seems silly. Part of the appeal of board games or videos games is that it's a battle of the minds. A 10 year old kid can win against 300 lb MMA fighter. We can't really help that naturally less men want to learn to bake, while less woman want to learn to hunt, can we? It should be open though to whoever. I think excluding a transgender woman on this is wrong, she has no advantage. It seems plain hurtful, and id think the woman who say they feel excluded from the main league should be able to empathize. I can understand physical competition, but that's just my opinion.

[-] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Come to think about it, maybe it's probably similar to how weight classes work in martial arts, except that the point of this is to guarantee that women can progress somewhat within their careers.

Of course I do not agree that we need to elevate or celebrate them to the level of grandmasters.

In a specific case of transgenders, I understand that transgender women are excluded until an official statement of medical or psychological evaluation has been made, to prevent cases where men illicitly transition just to play in these, and pardon my sexism, weaker leagues.

[-] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

How can it be like weight classes? What are you measuring? In a tournament people play, the winners move forward. Doesn't matter what's in the pants. If ya lose, you're welcome to keep playing with whoever else you want. Is the woman's chess league saying men have an advantage in chess? Chess is about memorizing a bunch of different outcomes. I dunno, don't have much interest in it myself, but if I was a woman and wanted to be the best in the world, I'd want to play against the best. There's plenty of dudes that get their ass kicked in the men's league. Should they make a separate league so they can win it? Are men just better at everything? Even board games? Or do men just care more? I've seen the graph that says men are more likely to have geniuses, but also more likely to be retards. Is that where it comes from? Does everyone have to be good enough to be a grandmaster to play? Cause I'd have to guess there's a handful of superstars and the rest just play. But I don't follow it.

[-] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Again, you are missing the point. It's that the point of a protected space for women is to promote women's participation in chess, not to overly tout their position over others.

And no, this does not have to do with the intelligence curve. It's entirely about careers and participation.

[-] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ah exclusion guised as "protected spaces"

[-] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Uhm no. Exclusion is clearly defined.

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