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I don't know Chavez or Platner right now, sorry.
I know what you are talking about, I hate that too. Actual marxist theory attributes gender and equality to the class issue as well, which is why gender and equality are part of the class war. They should be viewed as one issue and not seperately. There won't be gender equality before there is class equality.
Edit: looked up Chavez. I do agree with his tactics. The owning class has nothing without workers.
I think supporting Platner is a positive sign as it shows that the root cause is still visible.
Edit 2: I was not aware of these two people and their crimes. I only support their movements but not their personal actions. I should've researched them more.
Cesar Chavez is a rapist and pedophile.
Platner is also a rapist.
Good to see you upholding Class War over Gender War though and pretending like they're the same.
I think the union work actually helped with gender issue as equal pay and better pay helps a lot with emancipation.
It is still just as problematic, if he personally is an abuser
You believe that it's good to look the other way on individual crimes if it benefits the working class?
This is exactly what I mean when I'm sick of hearing that motto being shoved everywhere there's concerns that aren't focused strictly on working class issues.
No, I think that the people commiting these crimes should lose their position of power.
The unionization should continue though even though it was started by a criminal.
The crimes should be spoken about and addressed properly.
Chavez's crimes never came to light until after his death because everyone was so scared of the movement being dismantled.
They should be spoken about and addressed properly, but they don't. And that's the problem I'm speaking directly about.
I don't want to hear more cheers for class war over everything else. We can tackle multiple problems at once without sacrificing women and girls.
That is correct.
For me the motto means that we shouldn't disconnect gender problems and others from the class war but that they should be fought as one issue. They are deeply connected after all
I'm still pretty disillusioned by the rage shown by some on the left at Platner's crimes being discovered.
They are deeply connected, but I rarely find people who actually recognize that.
I understand. I don't think we as leftists should be glorifying individual people. It leads to a lot of problems and can really destroy a movement.
This works both ways. I don't think we should glorify or villify individual people because they are mostly a product of their environment. I thinm leftists should disagree with great-man-theory
Also I love that we have a proper discussion about this topic and that you actually engaged with my arguments.