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Oh wow what did lemmygrad.ml do?
I hate linking you to reddit but this post came to mind Choosing an instance; and my issues with lemmygrad
Why can't a user choose to block an instance? That sounds like it should be a feature request, at least for the app.
Okay, thanks for filling me in. I myself am skeptical about US-centric, mainstream criticism of China and DPRK et al., but I can see how that gets annoying when people get carried away with it. If there's a way to mute instances rather than completely sever the connection for all the members of an instance with a block, I think that would have been more appropriate in this case. I think Mastodon has that functionality, but maybe not.
It seems like Lemmy does not have this functionality yet https://feddit.de/post/753220
They're just generally annoying. They're tankies, constantly praising Putin and the CCP.
Basically sums it up really, although it's great fun to drop in and stir up shit every so often.
They're completely off the deep end though.
Be communist.
Be mindlessly propagandistic "communist." The countries they fawn over aren't even particularly communist, they're just authoritarian. Russia in particular is run by capitalist oligarchs.
It's just tiresome and pointless engaging with them.
Hi facedeer, you understand that one of the Lemmy.ml instance rules is not being insulting, right?
I don't appreciate being called mindlessly propagandized out of the blue, especially by someone who's certainly heavily propagandized.
Can you help me understand your level of knowledge about Marxism-leninism that you feel comfortable correcting me?
You engaging me makes this a lie. You started barking first.
It's fine to be offended that they called you propagandised, but that doesn't make it less offensive to immediately say the same thing back to them. You are both insulting each other, it's not helping the Lemmygrad situation.
Hey comfy, I understand what you're getting at but I think I'm ok with it. I'm only returning an insult after it's been thrown at me, and I think it's clear that I'm working hard to be nice here. I'm no yogthos, and I have a hard time with stuff like this.
I appreciate the advice, but I have gotten the same talk from Muad before. This is me being patient and not slinging shit!
I'm specifically trying to get to the meat of the argument without wasting a lot of time effort-posting primary source essays no one will read.
I think it's worthwhile to show the disparity between the liberal worship of polite debate and their actual actions.
Also I can sling shit way harder and faster. I'd just get banned, and nutomic and Dessalines don't need that headache! :D
There is no "lemmygrad situation", it's gaslighting lemmy by liberals getting wind in the sails with reddit refugees and attacking us all the time. note this basically didn't happen at all before, they just blocked us and maybe badmouthed in their dens, i don't care, i;m not going there. The arguments we had on lemmy were heated but not resembling current offensive.
I'm not speaking about you specifically, I have no idea who you are. I'm talking about lemmygrad in general. Just like the person you were responding to was talking about. He asked "what did lemmygrad.ml do?" And I'm clarifying that.
It's not that lemmygrad.ml is simply "communist."
This dude is sealioning you, block and move one.
They're not sealioning, they're responding to a bunch of strong, reasonably insulting allegations. Maybe not responding gracefully, but they're not sealioning.
In fact, I don't even think it's possible for one reply to be sealioning, the whole point is that it's repetitive harassment (as stated in the wiki link you posted). That's why the original comic strip that defined it has so many panels.
There's a thread of replies arguing on the semantics of communism, name-dropping stuff like Krause and Nomad (willfully ignoring the fact that FaceDeer's issue is about LemmyGrad and not communism), and repeating "you've chosen to engage with me" while this is very obviously the other way around.
Facedeer started the conversation, while loudly proclaiming that he doesn't want to. What's wrong with pointing out that he's the one engaging?
Homie admits that he doesn't know anything about communism, but says his issue is with how Lemmygrad is not communist. Their issue is with ML communism.
Nope. I don't care whether they're communist or not, they're apologists for authoritarians. The communism thing is just an excuse they dress that up in.
You said previously:
I was challenging your implied assertion that LG isn't communist, or that currently existing socialist countries aren't communist.
(For clarity, I'm using the terms "socialist", "communist" and "Marxist-leninist" mostly interchangeably. That tends to be the practice in ML spaces, I'm happy to expand on that if it's helpful).
It doesn't seem like you've got the knowledge base to argue whether or not a country like China or the DPRK is or isn't socialist. If you want to argue that they're bad because they're authoritarian, that's fine by me.
Can you help me understand what you mean by "authoritarian" and how it doesn't apply to Western/liberal democracies?
It's my understanding that every state uses authority to force some level of compliance at some expense to personal freedom (i.e. giving me a ticket for making graffiti is authoritarian).
I don't agree that every state's use of authority is a bad thing.
Seems ironic in a thread where someone's looking for minimally-blocked instances.
But on the plus side, perhaps it illustrates the value of blocking.
It's not sealioning to respond to someone who's engaging me by questioning their arguments.
Generally, when you describe a group it's understood that you're describing members of that group. As a Lemmygrad user, you've called me "mindless" and "propagandized" (with no provocation or context). This is rude. You've also chosen to engage with me while taking part in a strange farce about how you wouldn't choose to engage with me.
I thought I was pretty clear when I first asked: what is your experience with Marxism-leninism that you feel comfortable making this statement?
I'm not basing my statement off of any experience with Marxism-leninism. I'm basing it off of my experience with lemmygrad posters here on Lemmy. For example, this thread about the Tienanmen Square anniversary. I don't particularly care about the specific political ideologies on display.
As you don't have any experience with Marxism-leninism, why do you feel comfortable saying "the countries they fawn over aren't even particularly communist"?
SWCC is clearly communist, based on Marxism-leninism.
I don't care what you learned in 7th grade history. The communists are right. Krause and Nomad seem to share plenty of primary sources in that thread. I don't care about changing your mind, so I won't rehash that thread here.
This is a lie. You've chosen to engage with me about communism, from an anticommunist perspective. You don't think you're political, because your politics are ingrained into your very being.
@rrpeak@feddit.de linked one reddit post while I was searching for this one, so here it is anyway:
https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/13zl7s1/fediversetips_i_do_not_recommend_lemmy_i_have/
And here's the OG mastodon post from fedi.tips:
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
Make sure to "Show More" on each post in the thread, including the replies. I thought it was all spamming the same post for a minute, lol.
Deny and or support genocide, for one thing