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[-] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
  1. Saying today is oligarchy not capitalism is like saying you don't have cancer you have stage four cancer

  2. Communism is by definition a stateless society, not sure where you are getting those ideas about a communist government. Define "didn't work well". Nations such as Cuba have not achieved a communist utopia, but they did significantly improve the lives of their citizens in pretty much every way compared to pre revolutionary Cuba. Those states are obviously not communist and it is debatable to what extent they are socialist and not state capitalist.

  3. Almost all European countries are currently in the process of removing as much of those social guarantees, which is a logically process that pretty inevitably happens as long capitalism exists.

[-] anonfopyapper@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
  1. Oligarchy is not caused by capitalism. These are different things. I'm not really sure if capitalism really caused it - it could just accelerated it. Bad people would so evil things in any system unless regulated

  2. Communism requires state. Otherwise, it would be an anarchy - which never worked. About utopian communism: 2.1 USSR - failed on the way to the communism due to economic reasons. The system wasn't able to handle it all, and USSR had huge deficits and poorness. 2.2 China - "a communistic" country. Which is not really anymore. It just masks itself as one to still have a single leader (in their case a single party) 2.3 about Cuba I have no idea, no experience

  3. That is unfortunate. But this social guarantees are being removed by rich and power hungry people that are trying to aggregate more power. And power is money. Imagine money = capitalism = bad. But if we will remove money from the system - bad actors could still abuse their power in different ways (political weight, connections)

Im downoted to hell for a different opinion from lefties, righties and centrists. Cool. I love society. But it is not a reddit and no karma, so it doesnt matter :)

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Anarchy never worked except for the vast majority of human existence.

[-] anonfopyapper@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The vast majority of human existence: slavery and feudalism

[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 14 points 1 month ago

You young earth creationists get wilder all the time. Now the Earth is younger than bronze?

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Your thinking of written history, almost all of which was written by slavers and lords to justify them doing nothing and getting all the stuff.

The vast majority of human existence, from when we first diverged from apes until the agricultural revolutions, was organized around anarchic tribes and clans where they shared there resources and the leader "ruled" at the discretion of the tribe.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That shit happened after agriculture.

[-] goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

agrarianism isn't universal, and humans who eschewed it are just as capable as people who embraced it. it's not before or after.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 11 points 1 month ago
  1. You have no idea what communism means. It is not anarchy, but mainly due to the difference in the way and not the goal. Saying communism requires a state is like saying water atoms require more than one proton and electron. It is literally the definition of what communism isn't is.

2.1 The USSR had economic problems, especially near the end, but it also had achieved great economic progress. If you consider the full existence of USSR it's economy grew equally to that of the West. The USSR however had a way worse start as it inherited a feudal society that had just lost a war and was attacked immediately by capitalist nations such as the USA. Other countries that had similar starting conditions grew significantly less than the West or USSR in the same time period. The USSR saw a significant increase in life expectancy: Graph showing the life expectancy in Russia from 1900-2020. It's economy later declined due to mismanaged and a expenditure for the military that wasn't feasable, but all in all I don't think it's fair to call the USSR a economic failure.

[-] sougstron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

USSR has a different stages. One of stages where was burst growth in almost all the aspects - medicine, science, military and economics - was when Stalin was rule. Lenin was a dumb ruler that stealing food from poor people and he is make people poor starting inner war. After Stalins death USSR have some inertia, not so dumb ruler like Khrushchev and vibe of scientists country that have a flight into the space and so on that now sometimes shows in games or other media when it wants to show strong country. But then USSR with dumbest Brezhnev was finally tasted crude oil selling and thats was needed for its elites to live rich. With the outer long wars like Afganistan its become a break point from where the USSR doesn't solve his problems but silenced and accumulated them before the end. (in 80th USSR start money printing to prolong its death, but there was too late)

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Communism requires state. Otherwise, it would be an anarchy

So is anarcho-communism an oxymoron for you then?

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