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[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 33 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Things is, you're totally within your rights to loathe someone who was "before your time," such as Reagan or Thatcher or Jackson or Jefferson or... But to use "loathed" in the past tense means either you used to hate this individual but no longer do, or that you hated them back when they were relevant. Since this individual clearly has not had a change of heart re: Obama, we must assume the latter, that this individual had strong emotional opinions about politics before they even hit puberty, which as anyone who has even met a child before can attest is utter nonsense.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago

Things is, you’re totally within your rights to loathe someone who was “before your time,” such as Reagan or Thatcher or Jackson or Jefferson

The pivotal argument for "I hated him" is always "He hated me back first". Which is this unfalsifiable nothingburger of a critique to begin with. It's racist, but it's also this mush-brained apolitical critique bound up in Feelings over Facts & Logic.

this individual had strong emotional opinions about politics before they even hit puberty, which as anyone who has even met a child before can attest is utter nonsense.

Children absolutely have strong emotions about things they don't comprehend. My toddler son will throw howling tantrums for the most baffling reasons (he had a meltdown this morning because he looked out a window and didn't see a cat).

But much like with my grumpy little wiggler, all I can say to this guy is "What do you want me to do about it?" I can't control if you've invented a Barack Obama to be angry at, because you decided he gave you the stink-eye through the TV.

So much of the MAGA Movement is bound up in this perpetual sense of imagined martyrdom. And that martyrdom comes out of this endless font of national media full of demagogues screaming "They hate you! They hate you! They hate you!" If liberals ever want to retake this country from the fascist chud battalions, they really need to set aside their starry eyed fetish for Constitutional Principles and SHUT THESE VENUES DOWN.

Call'm monopolies and break them up. Pull their broadcasting licenses. Press charges on all their owners and managers for any of the litany of crimes they commit with impunity on a daily basis. Block their websites. Shutter their studios. Smash their printing presses. Outlaw their churches. Roll-em up and kick-em out.

Otherwise, you're going to be dealing with this shit for another generation. And another after that. Until the fascists are fully in control or someone comes along with the balls to do what you can't.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

You understand that everything you just said about inventing a version of Obama to be mad at applies to people who were adults during Obama's term and even ones who were born before him, right? Like you wrote this whole long screed but never actually explained why ageism isn't a shitty argument here.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

never actually explained why ageism isn’t a shitty argument

Ageism has nothing to do with it. You can be pickled on propaganda at any age.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

You can be pickled on propaganda at any age.

Oh, okay, I read your comment as you trying to counter their debunk of the ageism in the OP. My bad, then.

[-] foodandart@lemmy.zip 3 points 20 hours ago

You can be pickled on propaganda at any age.

Oh hell yeah. Like the phrase, going to tuck it away for later. Thank you!

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Yeah, this is a really trash argument that collapses under the slightest scrutiny. The conclusion is correct, but the means to arrive at it is comically flimsy, and it's a shame to see Lemmy endorsing garbage.

If an 18-year-old wants to praise Obama's administration (fairly or otherwise), I don't resort to ageism.

If an 18-year-old wants to go talking about how Obama dragged his feet on LGBT rights until Biden roped him in, the litany of war crimes, his love affair with natural gas, etc. I don't resort to ageism.

And if an 18-year-old wants to go talking about how Obama was a Muslim socialist who raped children while wearing a tan suit and only Donald Trump, master of all four elements, could stop him, I don't resort to ageism, because it's a shitty argument, and I actually have some fucking intellectual honesty.

[-] shweddy@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Ehh idk I knew Al Gore was a better candidate than Bush in 4th grade 4th grade

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Sure, but did you loathe Bush?

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