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[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

There is no complexity, liberals enable fascism. It's very simple

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

American Liberals are what JFK described.

You can make up your own opinion but unless you're an American Liberal, your just projecting. This is what American Liberals are:

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”

But first, I would like to say what I understand the word “Liberal” to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a “Liberal,” and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.

In short, having set forth my view — I hope for all time — two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:

I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.

Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world’s history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.

Tonight we salute Governor and Senator Herbert Lehman as a symbol of that spirit, and as a reminder that the fight for full constitutional rights for all Americans is a fight that must be carried on in 1961.

Many of these same immigrant families produced the pioneers and builders of the American labor movement. They are the men who sweated in our shops, who struggled to create a union, and who were driven by longing for education for their children and for the children’s development. They went to night schools; they built their own future, their union’s future, and their country’s future, brick by brick, block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, and now in their children’s time, suburb by suburb.

Tonight we salute George Meany as a symbol of that struggle and as a reminder that the fight to eliminate poverty and human exploitation is a fight that goes on in our day. But in 1960 the cause of liberalism cannot content itself with carrying on the fight for human justice and economic liberalism here at home. For here and around the world the fear of war hangs over us every morning and every night. It lies, expressed or silent, in the minds of every American. We cannot banish it by repeating that we are economically first or that we are militarily first, for saying so doesn’t make it so. More will be needed than goodwill missions or talking back to Soviet politicians or increasing the tempo of the arms race. More will be needed than good intentions, for we know where that paving leads.

In Winston Churchill’s words, “We cannot escape our dangers by recoiling from them. We dare not pretend such dangers do not exist.”

And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. Our opponents would like the people to believe that in a time of danger it would be hazardous to change the administration that has brought us to this time of danger. I think it would be hazardous not to change. I think it would be hazardous to continue four more years of stagnation and indifference here at home and abroad, of starving the underpinnings of our national power, including not only our defense but our image abroad as a friend.

This is an important election — in many ways as important as any this century — and I think that the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party here in New York, and those who believe in progress all over the United States, should be associated with us in this great effort. The reason that Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson had influence abroad, and the United States in their time had it, was because they moved this country here at home, because they stood for something here in the United States, for expanding the benefits of our society to our own people, and the people around the world looked to us as a symbol of hope.

I think it is our task to re-create the same atmosphere in our own time. Our national elections have often proved to be the turning point in the course of our country. I am proposing that 1960 be another turning point in the history of the great Republic.

Some pundits are saying it’s 1928 all over again. I say it’s 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.

[-] Noggog@programming.dev 1 points 10 hours ago

a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

And then he went right ahead and continued fucking with Cuba. Lol. Doesn't care about freedom or human dignity to determine their own fate. Just cares about the profits the companies lost when Cuba decided it wanted it's country back for it's own people after the colonizer era. All talk. Full of shit when it comes to actually treating other humans with respect.

"You can do it your own way. If it's done just how I say"

[-] gwl 10 points 2 days ago

Ain't nobody got time to read all that, and that's another reason liberals suck; all talk, no action

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

that’s another reason liberals suck; all talk, no action

You just described every Democratic presidency since LBJ. The disconnect between talk and action is massively frustrating as a leftist watching liberals enable the fascists in this country, because as Obama demonstrated, even when we hand Democrats power they still make excuses as to why they can't change anything. (Which is really just an affirmation that they're content with adopting their predecessor's policies, no matter how backward or fascist they may be.)

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

stay ignorant then, but don't claim to know what American Liberals believe

[-] gwl 4 points 1 day ago

I know what they believe in, nothing

They have no opinions other than "we should think about it", on a loop until everyone forgets it was a topic.

Professional Stallers

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

thanks for making you an easy block

ignorance is not a virtue, expecially when you are attacking someones believes

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Well, that's not true. They believe really hard in capitalism. I'd say it's the only belief they actually have.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

This liberal revisionism is on par with republicans claiming they are the party of lincoln and freeing slaves.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

Is that really all you got? This IS America Liberalism. You don't see a lot of liberals because it's a hard thing to live up to.

But this speech is absolutely the core of what American Liberals are.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

because it's a hard thing to live up to

It's only a hard thing to live up to if you're not even trying. Liberals love talking a big game about how supportive they are, how inclusive they are, how determined they are to protect the rights of the marginalized while doing everything they can to keep those groups marginalized. The exact same claims that liberals try to make today about their party or the same claims they tried to make about their party 200 years ago. Your party will always represent capital and its exploitation of the working class

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

my party? what party? I don't have a party.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Defend liberals and people have to assume you are one.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Sure, I'll accept I am liberal and progressive and probably a socialist. But I don't have a party to represent me. I can lean on the Democratic party but that gets me as far as it gets Sanders. So I have to be an independent that generally voters D

Because I am not voting for a Republican

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Claiming that you are liberal or progressive and maybe a socialist is like a atheist Christian or a vegan carnivore, liberal and socialist are polar opposites on the political scale

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago

No it isn't. You need to take a course in Political Science.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

The left starts at anti-capitalism liberals are not anti-capitalist they prop up the system that socialists and Communists want to tear down that same system that exploits our labor while patting the pockets of the wealthy. Today's liberals are first-term Trump Republicans

[-] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

You don’t see a lot of liberals because it’s a hard thing to live up to.

"American liberalism is mostly hypothetical" isn't the own you think it is.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

What makes you think I am trying to "own"? Thanks for the cringe bro. Crawl back behind your tank

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