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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

it’s a largely Muslim country

Pretty much all the Abrahmic religions do this shit when they're in power...

I wouldn't have pointed it out, because it's kind of like saying the sky is blue. But from the rest of your comment it seems like you legitimately think it's just Muslims., And not that entire religious family

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

It's not just Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists. But of every major religion, Islam has the highest rate of that kind of extremism. There are plenty of Christian countries which are socially progressive and endorse modern sensibilities. No Muslim countries are.

I have a dear friend of mine who is a religious minority in Egypt (she's a Copt). The paranoia that she and her parents have when interacting with Muslims is saddening, because of how it's been justified. Her church has lost several members to religious violence, and she's lived through a suicide bombing which happened at that church and targeted Christians.

I'm not saying there aren't Christian extremists. There are. But the Muslim extremist problem is an order of magnitude larger within that faith.

Judge individual Muslims for their own beliefs. But there is no Christian version of the Taliban state or ISIS. And Islam is to blame for the actions of its extremist adherents writ large. It desperately needs a religious reformation, but instead, the Saudis are still chopping the heads off of people who offend their religious police.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It’s not just Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists. But of every major religion, Islam has the highest rate of that kind of extremism

Not really...

There's over 1.7 billion Muslims in the world, that's a lot of people.

But there is no Christian version of the Taliban state or ISIS

So basically you're saying we can just ignore all the countries where they're trying to do it, just ignore them till their in power?

Nah, I don't see how that helps anyone except Christian extremists.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying we should ignore anything. I'm saying we shouldn't ignore the extremely high rate of extremism within Islam.

But if you want to prove me wrong, point to a single Muslim country where apostasy and homosexuality are socially accepted

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m saying we shouldn’t ignore the extremely high rate of extremism within Islam.

And I'm saying you don't seem to understand how large a number 1.7 billion is...

But if you want to prove me wrong, point to a single Muslim country where apostasy and homosexuality are socially accepted

Lebanon

Can you name a country where the Christian majority do that?

They're openly against LGBT because "the Bible says so" and they claim they have to follow it.

The Bible also says if anyone even starts questioning if they should still be Christian, then they need to be executed to prevent the spread.

So they might not say it, but they're all about it, or just lying hypocrites who are making the personal choice to harass people who are LGBT.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Lebanon isn't a Muslim nation. It has a significant Muslim plurality. And homosexuality is de facto illegal there AND extremely socially unacceptable, with 85% of Lebanese people saying it should be "rejected by society."

Give me a Muslim nation where homosexuality and apostasy are both legal and socially acceptable.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Lebanon isn’t a Muslim nation. It has a significant Muslim plurality

By that logic there's no "Christian country" to compare them too, and your point makes even less sense.

I'll be honest tho, I didn't think you'd last this long without openly being full of shit

Congrats? You made it two whole comments

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, dip shit. Lebanon is 48% Muslim. That's a plurality. It's 45% Christian, 5% Druze, and the rest minor groups.

A "Muslim country" is one which has a dominant majority Muslim population for the purposes of this conversation. That describes dozens of nations. Show me one of them where it's legal and acceptable to be gay and an apostate.

PS even if I pretended Lebanon was a Muslim nation it still wouldn't pass that test

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

That's what I thought.

There's not a single fucking Muslim country where I wouldn't face dramatic persecution as an apostate or my gay friends for loving who they do.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Since you edited your post after I replied like a dirty little liar, here's a second reply.

Can I name a Christian majority country where being gay is generally acceptable, being an apostate is generally acceptable, and both are legal? Yeah. Canada, the US, Australia, Spain, the UK, France, Germany, etc, etc, etc.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Technically this is your third reply to me since I started ignoring you...

I guess youre as good at math as logic homie.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Still can't come up with an example country, eh?

[-] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Hey just an fyi, because you don't seem to be aware - a fairly large part of ignoring someone is, well, ignoring them.

[-] ruford1976@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

are you lobotomized?

[-] Historical_General@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Feels like a geopolitical issue more than a religious issue.

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

They really don't. Israel is a Jewish country and women are allowed to go to school or university.

There's countless Christian countries and that shit happens nowhere.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

You're confusing a country where a majority of citizens are Christian with countries who are lead by Christian leaders...

I can't think of a single equivalent than the Vatican, and if you're acting like that's a great government...

We probably dont agree on what makes a government good.

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The statement was that this happens with all abrahamitic religions in power.

You're confusing a country where a majority of citizens are Christian with countries who are lead by Christian leaders..

I'm not, it's just the closest to the stated premise.

I can't think of a single equivalent than the Vatican, and if you're acting like that's a great government...

Same. But then I doesn't make sense to make that statement in the first place about the other religions.

Because there's zero evidence to back it up.

[-] mister_monster@monero.town 3 points 1 year ago

I said Muslim once. The rest of my comment is about Afghanistan.

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