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Hear Me Out: This capitalist/traditional attitude towards dating radicalized men into the manosphere. For the last three years this anti-"modern women"/anti-feminism movement has been rising across the internet; and about 75% of their resentment is just about distaste toward dating apps and paying to take a girl out for dinner.
For years I was laughing at ( and then after they helped Trump's re-election, ripping my hair out over ) their complete refusal/inability to see any other alternatives to connect with people besides the most shallow idea of a date. Perhaps these folks just completely unimaginative, or have no personality to offer, and nothing to provide besides the traditional chivalry of this generic "provider" fallback that is unfeasible for most in this economy.
I wish I could just sit down with one of these men, and just ask them "Why not find women elsewhere?". Delete the dating apps and go find a hobby, join a volunteer organization. If you're such a "traditional conservative masculine man", go to a Catholic church or alt-right fascist rally. It's a whole lot cheaper than flying abroad to sugar-daddy at a favorable exchange rate. (Passport bros)
Though... the article does say: "More than half of Gen Z adults reported spending $0 a month on dating in a 2025 Bank of America Better Money Habits survey." and mentions folks rejecting dating apps because they prefer real interactions...so maybe folks are waking up.
This is the same vibe as "go hand out your resume in person". I'm old enough to remember when most people didn't have dial up. Things have changed.
I’m an elder millennial that has and continues to do all of this shit they are saying in other comments, I still meet more new people regularly that I actually want to talk to again through dating apps. Third spaces are dead and people have over the past 10ish years stopped being interested in expanding their circle by happenstance. I’ll even admit to this myself.
In general we don’t trust each other, and there’s a very real chance that any person you meet could be a fascist even in left leaning cities. This has understandably made women especially more leery of the men they meet even when men are explicitly feminist because the men that hate women lie about their beliefs exacerbating the underlying problems even more.
People don’t understand that we’re not just experiencing political and economic collapse, the culture we all grew up learning how to live in no longer exists. This is a symptom of that
He gave a couple good ideas, join a service group, take Salsa lessons, go to local events. There's a tree planting event in my community this week. You won't meet people if you go once, but if you keep going people will recognize you. This is called "making friends" and sometimes that leads to romance. Things in your community still happen like the olden days.
Sounds like you have some experience here. Would you like to share more about it? How long have you been doing this? How many dates has this resulted in? How many relationships?
Well, I'm married so it worked at some point. I'm involved with my community and the community is your dating pool. The other guy is right in a sense, it's mainly coupled people you meet at events but the more people you meet the more people meet you. You have to make friends before you make lovers. My wife and I have absolutely tried setting up people we've met with people we know. My personal opinion is that people who "never meet anyone" are probably assholes and people steer clear of them.
Okay well you didn't answer any of my questions.
How long ago was that?
Things have changed especially because we all are becoming less social. Getting to know someone in person is still much more effective. Talking to strangers without pretense is however less accepted.
But it doesn't though. Dating is something you do to find people to be with IRL. Dating apps are made to keep you engaged and noy to lose customers. If you want to find someone to be with IRL, you gotta look IRL and it helps going somewhere, where people have similar interests
I'm not an expert on manosphere but I think it's just a radical manifestation of a broader anti-feminism movement that spans beyond the internet, beyond young people and beyond dating. It's not attitudes towards dating that radicalized men but a more general feeling of losing power and privileges. Listen to conservative men of all ages and they will complain that you can't molest women anymore, you can't date rape and you have to very careful because people now tend to believe women when they accuse of you of abuse. The manospere is just how the push back against those changes manifests on the internet. In real life it's one of the issues fueling the surge of far-right parties.
Dating has been a big gateway for the manosphere though. Women can actually support themselves now, on a large scale, even to the point where women are surpassing men in education and getting better paying jobs out of school than many men are getting.
So, in a real sense, for possibly the first time in history, men are actually having to be more than just a stable provider to attract women. And many are choosing to become bitter and resentful instead of doing things that might actually improve their chances. The manosphere offers a "lose 15 lbs in 3 days fraud diet" but for dating. And people look for shortcuts constantly.
I generally agree but you think dating means asking women out and trying to prove to her you would be a good life partner while for a lot of man dating meant getting some girl drunk and fucking her in the dorm bedroom or spiking her drink at a club and fucking her in a bathroom stall. This is the dating they have lost because of feminism and progress and now want to get back to.
Remember Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing and Micheal Wolff's accusations? Kavanaugh tried to rape her and absolutely nothing happened to him. This is the power man used to have and now are trying to get back. The manosphere sect leaders can't say it out loud but it's the core of it and all the anti-feminist movements.
Reading these last three comments — I was taking "dating" to mean forming a stable relationship because they've been throwing out words like "stability" and whine about divorce; but you're probably right. The "GamerGate" rage that funneled into the manosphere has very rapey vibes, and that's about fictional video game women. Seeing the rise in misogyny-inspired attacks; increased joking about rape and abuse; and that online rape guide CNN did a report on... I'm very scared for our future, especially for the future of feminine Gen Z and Gen Alpha folks.
This has been going on for much longer than just three years.
anti woman sentiment online has been around far longer than three years
I've been online for a loooong time. From my recollection: it hit its peak with the "anti-SJW" / "anti-feminist" rage during GamerGate in the mid 2010s. It was well on the decline until Andrew Tate and the TikTok manosphere accounts which copied him brought that rhetoric back; now targeting real world women instead of "woke" gamedevs and script writers.
can confirm
Capitalism did ruin dating. I'm pretty sure the CIA does everything in it's power to prevent you from seeing the problem is the fact that you depend on the market for everything.