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What went wrong in Israel? A genocide scholar examines ‘what Zionism became’
(www.theguardian.com)
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No one cares what Israel wants anymore. Why are you catering to murderers? Could it be that you are on their side?
If someone knocks on your door, panthera, and says they will kill your entire family but they will settle for just eating your little girl, you sound like the type of person to push the girl out the door to them instead of grabbing a weapon and doing whats actually right.
You have to start with ethics and basic human rights, not triangulation and negotiation with what you think evil will be OK with.
A better analogy would be someone offers this person a vacant lot, in exchange this person would own the place I'm living in.
But Christians, Jews, and Muslims have been murdering each other in the Holy Land for many centuries.
They're all murderers. What participant has clean hands?
Human beings have an innate right to resist oppression and murder once available peaceful avenues have been tried.
One side is committing genocide and massive human rights abuses right now. One side is not.
This doesn't disprove his statements though
Agreed. When do you start the clock of oppression, and why at that point specifically? There have been repeated bloody conflicts for longer than we have been alive.
They all want to genocide the other, as they have all repeated constantly (today and in centuries prior)... and they all have committed genocide. No one has clean hands here.
All parties have committed countless human rights abuses for decades or even centuries, and still do right now.
They won't ever stop until only one people owns "The Holy Land"... and Israel is the only nuclear power. Remember that when you propose "solutions", you must disarm Israel and/or have their support...
But this is precisely the losing mentality that leads countries to their demise. There is a reason why throughout history, weaker nations pursue peace with their stronger neighbors. It's not because they want to, its because they have to do in order to survive. Palestine, egged on by the other Arab state, bought into the idea that the one and only acceptable solution is the complete destruction of Israel, the removal of Israelis, and the establishment of an Arab Palestinian state that is ruled by Arabs. However, Palestine is very clearly outmatched by Israel, and so every attempt at pursing this goal ended up in them being further away from it.
The question then becomes, what's the end goal? To keep trying until Palestine is fully destroyed? We're quickly heading down that path and I don't want to see it happen. Palestine is very clearly outmatched by Israel and there's no realistic way for a Palestinian state over the entire region to be established. No country will intervene on their behalf and Israel isn't going anywhere. I think it's wise to do what other countries in a similar position have done in the past.
I think Palestine needs to do what Armenia did with Turkey or what Mongolia did with Russia and China or what Ireland did with the UK. I think it's the pragmatic thing to do.