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[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

In 2020, Ottawa bought the Trans Mountain pipeline for $4.5 billion. Then they spent another $9 billion on construction. That is the federal government becoming a pipeline operator because private capital refused to touch it.

You were lamenting bailouts. BUYING a pipeline and paying Canadians to build it is how construction of a valuable asset works. They didnt lose money on it, and it wasnt a giveaway (A bailout is when Ottawa gives a Bombardier money over and over again because it never stays profitable but they need to keep buying those Quebec votes)

Your second point is weak. Every province benefits from those same federally paid services. But only three provinces pay equalization and get none of it back

2024-2025 Equalization Payments Received (Estimated)

Quebec: ~$13.316 billion ($1,545 per capita)
Manitoba: ~$4.352 billion (approx. $3,000+ per capita)
Nova Scotia: ~$3.284 billion ($3,252 per capita)
New Brunswick: ~$2.897 billion ($3,629 per capita)
Ontario: ~$576 million (or $0 in some formulas)
Newfoundland & Labrador: ~$336 million
Alberta, BC, Saskatchewan: $0 

Your third point has some validity, except for the part about not saving any money for the province. Our Heritage Fund has risen from nearly empty to currently at 30 billion and likely to rise again this year with the oil price surge.

But the oil company shareholders are everywhere, including Canadians and in your CPP retirement fund too. (Its a bit ironic to complain about that when that when our new PM moved Brookfield headquarters to the US to better access American funds). Thats the way international investing works in this world and the way that MOST of the large corporations in Canada operate.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

Let's peel back another layer of this neoliberal onion here. You're now moving the goalposts from we never get bailouts to actually buying a pipeline was a smart investment. Let me take these one by one.

You are correct that buying an asset is different from a grant. But here is the problem. The private sector refused to build TMX. Kinder Morgan wanted out because of environmental opposition and cost overruns. So Ottawa stepped in as buyer of last resort. That is a socialist rescue of a failing private project, and the asset is not even finished yet. Current cost estimates have ballooned to over $30 billion while the original estimate was $7 billion. The government will never see that money back. They will sell it at a massive loss to a private consortium years from now, likely one of the same oil companies that refused to build it in the first place. That's just a bailout with extra steps.

And your Bombardier jab is cute but irrelevant. We can criticize Quebec's corporate welfare while also criticizing Alberta's. Two things can be true. The difference is Bombardier builds trains and planes. The oil industry burns the planet. One is a bit more urgent than the other.

Your table is accurate. Alberta, BC, and Saskatchewan pay in and get nothing back. Nobody disputes that. But you are confusing equalization payments with total federal spending. Equalization is just one program. It is not the whole picture.

What about federal infrastructure spending. What about defense contracts. What about the fact that the Canada Pension Plan invests heavily in Alberta oil. What about the massive tax breaks for oil companies embedded in the federal tax code. What about the fact that Ottawa spends billions on cleanup of abandoned wells, a liability that belongs to the provinces.

The equalization formula exists because resource revenues are volatile and uneven. Alberta benefited from that very formula when oil prices crashed in the 80s. Alberta received equalization payments as recently as the 1960s. The story of a perpetual donor province is a very recent invention.

More importantly, the per capita argument cuts against you. Quebec gets less per person than Manitoba or New Brunswick. And the formula is designed to account for provincial capacity to raise revenue. Alberta has the highest GDP per capita in the country by a massive margin. Of course you pay in, that's just mathematics.

You are right that the Heritage Fund is currently around $30 billion, but let's put that number in context. Norway's sovereign wealth fund is over $1.6 trillion and Alaska's Permanent Fund is over $80 billion. Alberta has been pumping oil for over 75 years, and a $30 billion savings account is an embarrassingly small amount of money to show for it. It's basically pocket change being less than a single year of current provincial revenue. If oil vanished tomorrow, that fund would cover about six months of health care spending.

And where did the rest of the money go. It went to tax cuts, corporate subsidies, and low royalty rates. The province chose to hand wealth directly to industry rather than save it.

You are absolutely right that CPP invests in oil. But pointing out that Canadian pensions are entangled with oil extraction is not a defense of the system. It is an indictment of it. The fact that workers' retirement savings depend on burning carbon is precisely the problem. It traps us in a fossil fuel economy even as the world burns.

And your dig about the new PM moving Brookfield to the US. Yes, that is also bad. Neoliberalism hurts everyone eventually. I oppose capital flight and corporate tax avoidance across the board. I do not defend Brookfield just because it is headquartered in Toronto.

Your original claim was that Alberta does not need bailouts because it is a net contributor. But every single downturn proves otherwise. The industry is structurally unstable relying on high prices, export markets, and constant government intervention. The TMX purchase, the orphan well cleanup, the wage subsidies, the loan guarantees. These are all bailouts. They just wear different clothes.

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