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MLs are always controlled opposition (and always have been), just look at how quickly they team up with capitalists to take out any real socialists.
...such as?
Spain, Korea, Ukraine, the Soviets.
Any attempt at putting the workers in charge instead of the state is met with violence.
It's not controlled in the sense that capitalist control them, it's just controlled in the sense that the state requires private property & structurally state-capitalism is closer to liberal-capitalism, so you get less pushback from the cops, bureaucrats, bosses & other assorted middle managers that still get to live off labor of the workers.
I figured you'd mention Spain, but I'm not sure what you're referring to in Korea. It was the Americans and South Koreans putting down workers uprisings there. As for Spain, the Anarchists weren't ever going to manage to beat the Nationalists.
What you're failing to understand is that in the context of imperialism, and the imperial boot, such decentralized anti-authoritarian revolutions are impossible. That's why none of them ever worked, while all the revolutions that succeeded had to take measures to ensure their survival. Look at Poland and Solidarnosc - an anti-authoritarian labour movement, ergo a good thing, right? Except the result wasn't liberation or socialism, but another loyal member of the imperial core, happy to help keep the boot of capital on the necks of the world proletariat.
If you guys ever manage to get off the ground and get a workers' federation going, I'll be the first to support you, and if you have to make a secret police to suppress the counterrevolutionaries, I'll keep my atodasos to a minimum. In the meanwhile, Marxism-Leninism is the only thing that's ever worked.
Man pick up a history book, you might learn something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Association_in_Manchuria
Lol, as if the betrayal by the USSR didn't decimate both the troops and their moral.
Lol, it was just switching one imperialist capitalist boot for another. You have to be real stupid to consider the USSRs treatment of Eastern Europe as anything but imperialism.
Or it's treatment of workers as anything but capitalism, just capitalism managed by the state.
🤣🤣🤣
Yeah China will be socialist any day now 🤣🤣🤣
Why isn't the USSR on any maps anymore?
How come Vietnam is liberalizing?
Some good points, but your inappropriate "lols" and hysterically laughing emojis are tiresome, especially considering the topic
The USSR's treatment of eastern Europe was characterized by a net outflow of resources from the USSR to the Warsaw Pact, and within the USSR from the RFSFR to the other SSRs. In fact, a large part of the dissolution of the USSR was that Russian nationalists didn't want to share that wealth. This was very, very different from capitalist imperialism in which wealth is extracted from the periphery.
Once again, I ask you what libertarian socialists have ever achieved. Have they ever acted as a geopolitical counterbalance to the US? Did they beat the nazis? Did they ever raise the literacy rates and raise the workers and peasants out of poverty? No, because they've only ever controlled a small region within one country during a civil war, and usually ended up losing. Come back to me with some concrete achievements, otherwise you're just a useful idiot for imperialism.
Litterally yes, not just in Spain, but also in Korea & Ukraine then the MLs betrayed them and gave the farms back to the owners, because authoritarian "socialism" only exists to replace capitalist oppression with state regulated capitalist oppression, because it's more paletable to the capitalist class, that's why they're happy to collaborate with them, to put down any sort of independent worker movement.
anarchism and ML are opposing ideology. Why anarchist need support of ML states to survive?
ML state literally won biggest war of human history, built a country from ground up that rivaled and stalled most powerful countries in history, made humongous gains in human development like literacy, life expectancy, women rights, science, tech, literature, sports and much more for the while it existed.
Anarchist should do their own work (even tho I know anarchism is a moralist ideology not scientific so it wont work and wont change lives of people).
Lol, it's kind of sad that MLs, cling to the glory of developmentalism that came from overthrowing fuedal regimes (which pretty much any regime that overthrows fuedalism sees), instead of actually improving worker power in the decades during which the authoritarian regimes you simp for actually existed.
A war that would have been much quicker if the MLs hadn't killed all their best generals and failed to invade Finland 🤣 or if Stalin wasn't buddies with Hitler because it allowed the USSR to invade Poland.
And also a war that wouldn't have been won without enormous help from peaky liberals.
Yeah just pretend Russia wasn't a great power before the US even existed because it makes the USSR look better and you wonder why everyone always laughs at MLs ridiculously twisted version of history.
Anarchists did, only to be shot in the back by MLs, Spain, Korea, Ukraine, always the same, anarchists fight for freedom alongside so called "communists" only for the communists to turn on them before defeating the racists.
LMFAO how many times does the immortal science of MLism have to fail to progress beyond creating authoritarian shitholes, before you scientifically conclude that it's a failed approach?
"WhICH any regime that throws feudalism sees" Yeah except 90% of the global south
I would be interested in the example in Korea in particular, I had never heard of this.
There isn't a lot of readily available info on as it was crushed by 2 repressive regimes, and the CCP isn't exactly welcoming to historians interested in a freer society within their borders that "socialists" and the Japanese empire both worked to crush.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Association_in_Manchuria?wprov=sfla1
MLs = Marxist-Leninist?
Yup
Haha I'd never heard that take before. I'm curious about two things. 1) How do you define MLs? 2) What would real socialism entail? I'm guessing with those answers I should have a good idea what you're talking about.
Anyone who self-identifies as an ML, such as the part mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation
Workers being in control of the means of production, like actually not in some "the party represents the workers BS".
Hell yeah💪. I personally agree with how you define socialism. I'm a reddit refugee lol. They are all LMs and Stalinists over there.
their definition of socialism is just market socialism.
What do you mean?
they are describing yugoslavian model as socialism
MLs: brag about literacy rates, while being unable to read.
TankieJerk was a fun sub at least.