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  • Technically, the new law will raise the legal age requirement in the UK for buying cigarettes, cigars or tobacco, which is currently 18, by one year in every subsequent year, starting on January 1, 2027
  • This will effectively mean that people born on or after January 1, 2009 will never be eligible to buy them
  • Retailers will face financial penalties for selling the products to those not entitled to them
  • The government will also be empowered to impose a new registration system for smoking and vaping products entering the country, seeking to improve oversight
  • The bill will expand the UK's indoor smoking ban to a series of outdoor public spaces, for instance in children's playgrounds, outside schools and hospitals
  • Most indoor spaces that are designated smoke-free will become vape-free as well
  • Smoking in designated areas outside pubs and bars and other hospitality settings will remain permissible
  • Smoking and vaping will remain legal in people's homes
  • Vaping will become illegal in cars if someone under the age of 18 is inside, to match existing rules on smoking
  • Advertising for smoking and vaping products will be banned
  • People aged 18 or older will remain eligible to purchase vaping products, but some items targeted at younger consumers like disposable vapes have already been outlawed as part of the program
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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 235 points 3 months ago

Well there's certainly no way this will create a black market, and become impossible to enforce!

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 98 points 3 months ago

There surely will become somewhat of a black market, but not in the same way as weed or harder drugs. Smoking doesn't really give you a buzz except for the first few times, so people won't go to the black market for the effect, but rather to keep the withdrawels at bay. It would seem incredibly silly to buy cigarettes like people buy weed, when all it really does for a first timer is taste horrible, make you cough, and if you actually manage to inhale, make you a bit dizzy. Sure, some people from 2009 and onwards will start to smoke, but it'll be a whole lot less people than today.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 63 points 3 months ago

You realize in the 1930s there was a black market for cigerettes when they weren't even illegal, right?

Mafias had support from the people, because mobs supplied booze, which WAS illegal. They made so much money from that, they started robbing cigerette trucks. Then selling legal cigerettes, at full cost, simply because the people trusted the mob over the government.

[-] Mitchie151@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

There's a huge black market for tobacco products here in Australia and it's completely legal, simply having the tax on it so high has led to massive smuggling operations, black market cigarettes in many convenience stores, and a fire bombing epidemic of those same convenience stores for carrying competitors black market cigs. It doesn't even need to be illegal. Just too expensive.

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[-] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

1930s didnt have overwhelming evidence that smoking was stupid, addictive, and disastrously dangerous to your health.

Smoking doesnt produce the same euphoria and consistency of drugs on the current blackarket. The juice wont be worth the squeeze. Financially, there wont be enough "consumers" for a cigarette black market.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

I think you misunderestimate how addictive cigerettes are. My friends mom goes through $80 worth of cigerettes every 2-3 days.

[-] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Right,but theyre not banning it for people like her.... theyre banning it for people born after 2008. Is your mom 18 years old?

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Are you claiming that minors don't smoke because it's not legal? That's what you're going with?

[-] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

God youre annoying.

Youre just looking to be combative. Youre cool dude, so cool, just so so cool that you should go back to reddit. So fucking cool how you intentionally need to argue the most braindead niche "uhm actually" talking point you can muster.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can just not respond next time mate. When you type out a comment like this; just go "nah" and hit "discard" next time.

Also, your entire point rests on "they won't do it because it's bad for them AND illegal".

Have you ever been a teenager? Something that they are told "your too young to do that" is like crack for them. It's not "niche" to consider this major factor of how people get addicted early in life.

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[-] skaffi@infosec.pub 15 points 3 months ago

There already is a big, thriving black market for cigarettes in the EU country I'm in, simply due to high tobacco taxes. I can only assume the same will be true for other places that tax similarly. Are you really saying that an outright ban won't result in a greater unmet demand, and thus more customers shopping at the black markets? It sounds unlikely to me that black market dealers will close up shop, because of a ban on the legal sale of cigarettes. The black market is already banned, but that's not exactly stopping them.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 3 months ago

Cigarette companies add things to make them more addictive, including chemical flavorings and extra nicotine. It doesn't negate what you said, but enhances it.

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 13 points 3 months ago

Sure, but a lot has changed since then, and while that totally could happen, I'm doubting it'll be widespread in any way.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"yeah, but, nah, trust me bro"

would have been a better response. At least build your conclusion from something. You're responding to someone giving a historical example.

"Times are different" just means it could be worse or better. It doesn't conclude which or to what degree. You didn't say anything.

[-] leagman1@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago

I think it might be different nowadays. We know now that smoking causes cancer. Also the world is in color, which makes not smoking more enjoyable.

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[-] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago

Mate, you got no fucking clue. This will create entire new organised crime markets.

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Maybe at first, yeah. But in 50 years, when almost nobody under 60 smokes and it's prohibited everywhere, who would go out of their way to start this particular habit?

As a lifelong smoker, one of the hardest hurdle to quitting is going out, having a couple of drinks, then seeing other people smoke and resisting the urge to go buy an easily available pack.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago
[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do you remember being a teenager? You're describing something that is extremely addictive AND the government is banning you from trying it because you were born too late. This is just asking for a shit show. I'd rather the cigs be guaranteed not to contain lead (or whatever). Forcing a black market just removes all regulation on the vice. Each year that market will get larger. It's literally a guaranteed increase of demand in the black market over time.

I really think the methods used in the US to reduce smoking really need to be duplicated in other countries. The US literally has like one good thing that we got right somehow. In comparison to Asia or a lot of Europe I never see people smoking.

Vapes are a whole different story. But, even before vapes were a thing the US really did a good job at making smoking socially unacceptable through multiple policies.

We literally have examples of methods that work well AND methods that don't. Outright bans never work with vices.

[-] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Outright bans never work with vices.

It can't be taken 1:1. Vices being banned in the past was typically because legislators saw them as productivity drains, despite the pleasure it provided. Therefore making those bans inherently tyrannical to habitual users and certain non-users, incentivizing disobedience.

But this time, it's being banned for a group that's not habitually using already, meaning extraordinary reasons would require them to become habitual users in the first place. And smoking is typically not very pleasant at the start to begin with, so there's little incentive to start. And, unlike in the past, smoking is no longer present everywhere. And of course there's the knowledge that it will give you cancer and cut your lifespan.

There's just not much enjoyment left, so even if 1% of those affected by the rolling ban slip through the cracks with an underground market, there isn't the room for growth that sustains or spreads an illegal market like for eg. recreational drugs. Which is why those bans need to be enforced to perfection to have a chance to work, which they never do, and which is why they never work.

There are so many ways for people to harm themselves that we don't need to ban because they come with severe risk to the person, so they self regulate. The only reason smoking needs that ban is because of how widespread smoking was, and so even if way less people start smoking than before, that's still way too many people. A ban just needs to be successful at getting far less people to start, not absolutely halt every single usage, and eventually it will fade from culture on it's own.

EDIT: Slight corrections. But kinda wild to get overly downvoted for the thing pretty much everyone else is saying in this thread, just with a little more in-depth analysis. Come out and tell me where I'm wrong, I don't think you can.

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Come to Australia. A legit carton of fags is about 90% tax, and dodgy darts are outselling them. Vapes are prescription-only. No doctor will prescribe it, and no pharmacy will dispense it. So vapes are effectively banned too.

The black market is huge.

At the current exchange rate, a 20 pack goes for £25 GBP:

[-] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 8 points 3 months ago

no doctor will prescribe it

Ha this tracks with my mate getting knocked back on this by our GP, who is also a medcan AP. He said go see another doctor for that.

I actually suggested it to him because he needs to give the fucking things up. This might be why, he mightn’t want to prescribe it.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Why will no doctor prescribe them? They are much healthier than smoking. And all the patient has to do is say they're trying to quit smoking.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 15 points 3 months ago

Same reason people in the UK think cocaine is safer then cannabis, public stigma.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Please tell me this is a joke. Is it because all you Europeans roll your joints with tobacco?

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 points 3 months ago

The UK has this weird thing about cannabis, while treating cocaine as a drug of "productive" people. It is getting better (the UK has a 48% of people supporting legislation, one the lowest in the western world but moving towards the positive) the media is not helping the stigma however:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35820327/super-strength-cannabis-crimewave-britain-streets/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14v430m62xo

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cannabis-farm-king-charles-plas-glynllifon-north-wales-b2955026.html

[-] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 9 points 3 months ago

I think a lot of it is because pharmacies and doctors didn’t want this thrust upon them.

This was an amendment to a really shitty vape ban bill which blew the whole black market up further than it was. The whole thing should never have been passed.

Lucky country policy

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 3 months ago

Holy smokes! That's more than double the local plug! Roll up jimpson weed or rabbit tobacco (or questionable adulterated weed) is probably what locals here would do.

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Oh no. Whatever will we do. No smoking in public places or around me but people will still smoke at home nowhere near me.

Truly it will be unbearable.

So terrible.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

i knew which corner stores to get smokes at before i was 18.

the process regardless is very simple:

  1. ask for a pack of camels
  2. present your legitimate id saying you're 16 or whatever
  3. ??? thanks

they need to look at an ID for the camera but that's all

also, once I became an adult smoking wasn't that fun anymore and i quit

[-] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 7 points 3 months ago

As someone pretty addicted to nicotine, im sort of for it cause i hate how much of my life its consumed, but at the same time… iunno it’s a landmine of an issue.

[-] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

What enforcement? Anyone born after 2008 would be at most 17. Not sure about British law, but assuming majority is at 18, they weren't supposed to smoke anyway. It creates no black market that doesn't already exist.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

You realize this law keeps rolling, right? So today, a 17 year old is ineligable because he's not 18. But a year from now that same 17 year old is now 18, but becomes ineligable because they aren't 19. And when they turn 19, they aren't 20. And 10 years from now the 17 year old today would be 27, ineligable because he's not 28.

That's how it creates a black market.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 11 points 3 months ago

Like a ladder that is being constantly pulled up.

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[-] quips@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 months ago

Surely this won’t establish avenues for kids to get harder drugs once they get the black market vapes!

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