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Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.

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[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 41 points 4 days ago

Third such fundraiser in hexbear, maybe it's time to reconsider who's the worst person :P

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Let me know when they'll do a fundraiser for Ukraine...

Edit: the tankies are here to brigade this thread... someone lit the fires of hexbear lol

[-] Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone 9 points 2 days ago

Let me know when .world does anything to help anyone ever.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 2 days ago

Nah but the zionazis are.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 14 points 3 days ago

Also: WhAtAbOuTiSm?!

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don't think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don't want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don't want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government's policy without hating on Iranian people.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

No its not good enough. They've done far more damage to Palestine by advocating against Harris in 2024.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 8 points 2 days ago

Sure, advocating for "most-lethal-armed-forces-in-the-world Harris" would have totally saved Gaza, it's not like the ramping up of the genocide started during Democrat rule, and not like Democrats were sending the cops to beat up anti-genocide protestors at universities!

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

you're right its not like that at all.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago

Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don't think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

That's not the point, it's great they're doing something good but they spread intolerance via propaganda from authoritarian countries.

In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don't want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don't want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government's policy without hating on Iranian people.

You must be blind then, because.ml and hexbear are both massive voices on Ukraine being filled with Nazis and it should be wiped out and returned to russia. The only reason they hate what Israel is doing is because Israel is backed by the west, which they hate.

Would you be here saying how great it is for a white supremacists group raising funds for something? Probably not.

Tolerance of the intolerant must not be allowed.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They're horrible because they disagree with the amount of Nazis in Ukraine?

What percentage of Nazis in Ukraine would you consider "tolerant", when does the switch flip from "tolerant" to "intolerant"?

Everyone gets called Nazis, sitting at a table with Nazis makes you a Nazi, and so on.

but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really

propaganda doesn't make it wrong. They DO genuinely have a Nazi problem, see far-right Azov movement. Would you agree that is a problem? Or do you assert that is fake, and the movement never happened or something?

https://www.theleftchapter.com/post/total-militarization-the-azov-movement-is-colonizing-ukrainian-society-with-neo-nazi-war-ideology

Is "the left chapter" and hundreds of other sources all Russian propaganda? there is a ton of information online, all fake?

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

So then everyone has a nazi problem and russia should just be invading everyone...if you haven't picked up yet...there are a lot of right wing movements out there. Guess Russia should start bombing civilians in other countries then.

Guess they should start in their own backyard though.

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why everyone?

Wouldn't it be reasonable for Ukraine not to have Nazi military brigades? Is that a bridge too far for you, a Ukrainian?

Isn't that an official arm of your government? Are they right wing nationalists or not? I've seen them wear SS badges on many occasions, is that AI or fake? You would know better than I.

I agree, Russia should start in their own backyard, as should all nations. I am against all Nazis and far-right nationalists, in every country, and against armed invasion (like USA's Iran war and Russia's invasion).

So... you still have a Nazi problem, and in your armed forces no less... do you agree? Or are they not a problem for you? Or are they fake news?

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

First I'm not Ukrainian. I have family there but I don't live there or claim that I am Ukrainian. Secondly having groups like that exists everywhere, it doesn't magically give a country a reason to invade and kill civilians. Or do you think that's ok because a group existed?

The Azov regiment had a past, but that's no longer the case. It hasn't been that way for more than a decade now. In fact, they didn't even pull 2% of the votes. AfD pulls way more than that and has an actual voice in Germany, why isn't France marching into Germany and de-nazifying them?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220325-azov-regiment-takes-centre-stage-in-ukraine-propaganda-war

So I'll ask again, do you think that a country should be invaded and it's civilians targeted and killed because there are white supremacists/kkk/neonazis/racist/etc. In the military ranks?

All countries have far right shit heels, it's not going to magically go away, and probably will never go away, but it doesn't give another country the right to invade and kill civilians.

You're just repeating russian propaganda.

PS...you tankies need to stick with .ml or something, jumping to other instances gets annoying having to tag you when you show up.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

and it should be wiped out and returned to russia

You are definitely making this up, saying something like this would first get you dunked and then banned, feel free to do the experiment. I'm saying this as both a frequent hexbear user and someone who hosted a Ukrainian refugee in my own home at the beginning of the war. Again, not the correct post or community to be arguing about this shit.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

https://hexbear.net/post/253926

I dunno what instance you think I'm talking about but literally hexbear users saying shit like:

"(but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia's invasion had anything to do with that really)."

Is not pro Ukrainian, it's russian propaganda.

You might need to check and see if the hexbear I'm talking about is the same one you are thinking of.

I'm not here discussing your support for Ukrainians, I have family in Ukraine, so thank you for taking refugees in.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Great, so now you're moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying "Ukrainians should be wiped out" to "the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem", at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.

Also, "not that Russia's invasion had anything to do with that" is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine's government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.

It's a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn't wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn't easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?

Edit: holy shit you're being disingenuous, the post you're quoting literally says the following: "the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers" right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you're not arguing in good faith, you're making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

https://hexbear.net/post/228858

Good, fuck Ukraine and their victim bullshit, the entire USSR was affected by the Soviet Famine of the 1930s, and relative to their population it wasn't even the Ukrainians, but the people of Kazakhstan that lost the most people, yet you never hear them be this fucking obnoxious and claim they were "genocided". The "Holodomor" was not a genocide, it's Nazi propaganda.

You're blind if you think they're pro-ukrainian there.

It takes 2 seconds to find shit like this all over hexbear.

Hexbear is trash and a stain on the fediverse. They give it a bad name and is why the mass majority of instances have defederated from them.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They are correct, though, and they're not arguing for elimination of Ukrainians, they're disagreeing with the modern, western-manufactured idea of the "holodomor" as a willing manmade famine directed to Ukraine in particular with the intention of ethnic cleansing, which is entirely unsupported and a fringe position in actual modern evidence-based historiographical analysis. There was a USSR-wide famine due to unforeseen consequences of rapid collectivization, which had to be carried out this way to pursue the rapid industrialization that saved all Slavic ethnicities from being exterminated by Nazis. This rapid collectivization and industrialization ended up saving a hundred million lives from extermination at the hands of Nazism, and also gave rise to unprecedented life expectancy in the region through the elimination of famines altogether after that (excluding ww2), which were previously commonplace throughout the history of the region.

The argument is not "fuck Ukrainians, they deserved the holodomor", it's "I'm angry when I have to constantly engage with the western-manufactured and nazi-peddled conspiracy theories of genocide against Ukrainians during the Soviet Union". You surely understand that the user is angry at this.

If you're interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2, which has been the transition to capitalism:

Suffice it to say, I dont support the state model of the current Russian Republic, and I honestly believe that Ukrainians lived better under Socialism than they do now, they were already the most impoverished nation in Europe before the war after 30 years of neoliberalism and corruption. Now they've gone from being an industrial powerhouse of the USSR with guaranteed healthcare, education, housing and employment, to being a playground for war games of the Russian Republic and the western empire.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago
[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

As I said:

If you're interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2

It seems that you're not genuinely interested in that and you're arguing purely in nationalist terms, so yeah, you've proven your bad faith and your lack of willingness to discuss the current issues of Ukraine outside your pro-western framework. So yeah, I guess we are done.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago
[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

You made claims you didn't back up and moved the goal posts twice, and finally resolved to calling them a tankie.

You're "pro Ukraine" in the same way Zionists are "pro Israel", they cannot do wrong and they cannot be criticized. Anyone who criticizes Ukraine is a Russian tankie bot.

Ukraine does have a Nazi history and a Nazi problem, and that's separate from and not a defense of Russia or Putin, and rejecting it as tankie logic simply because Putin used it as a talking point is intellectually dishonest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

And Zelenski is an unapologetic genocide supporting Zionist, why would anyone collecting funds for victims of Israeli genocide also collect funds for its cheerleaders.

We can accept that Russia is wrong and Putin is evil and the war on Ukraine is bad without sanctifying Ukraine and pretending it has no problems.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

He must have posted over on his hexbear account.

Tankie brigade is here to make sure everyone knows that they think ukraine is filled with Nazis...and now Zelenskyy is a Zionist...tankies gonna tank I guess.

Another one added to the tag group.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Jesus Christ you're hopeless.

I even provided a liberal western media source for you, but you're right, suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews) is tankie brigading.

And dismissing that zelenski is a Zionist is... I don't even know how to label that, you're just shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALA TANKIE TANKIE TANKIE".

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews)

You mean 'The Ukraine', as in, a member state of the USSR as it existed at that time, and not 'Ukraine' a sovereign country, which it has been since 1991.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Because changing the country magically erases its crimes and changes the racism and hatred in its people?

Yeah... And Russia is no longer in the USSR, all good there, nothing to see. New country new history.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

So does russia also have a nazi problem then? Where they allied with hitler? Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

And if I can remember correctly....jews aren't exactly fans of nazis...or are you one of those Holocaust deniers as well?

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

I have not once defended Russia or their war on Ukraine, I simply said Ukraine is not perfect, and that it's really stupid to keep calling people tankies simply for criticizing it.

So does russia also have a nazi problem then?

Not particularly. Russia/the RSFSR is generally understood as a major victim of Nazi Germany, even though some Russians did collaborate. That is different from saying Russia had the same kind of widespread Nazi collaboration problem seen in some other occupied regions.

https://encyclopedia.yivo.org/article/2015

Where they allied with hitler?

The USSR was, temporarily. The Nazi-Soviet pact in 1939 was a real agreement, and it helped enable the joint destruction of Poland. But that does not erase the fact that the RSFSR was later invaded by Nazi Germany and suffered enormously, including over 119,000 Jewish victims in the occupied parts of Soviet Russia. So no, “Russians suffered under Nazism” and “the USSR collaborated with Hitler before 1941” are both true.

Is it tankie shit to read history books? The Red Army liberated Auschwitz!

You calling me a tankie doesn't change facts or history. Russia invading Ukraine is bad.

Historically, there was substantial Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazi occupation, including the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, which Yad Vashem says assisted German forces in anti-Jewish operations and other repressive actions, while the Holocaust in Ukraine was one of the main killing grounds of the entire genocide.

FSR was mainly on the receiving end of Nazi occupation and mass murder. Ukraine, by contrast, was not only a major killing ground of the Holocaust but also saw meaningful local collaboration, and it still has a real far-right problem today. Freedom House has explicitly described far-right extremism in Ukraine as a threat to Ukrainian democracy and documented violent intimidation by right-wing radical groups.

That doesn’t make all Ukrainians Nazis; it just means the history and the present are uglier than the usual clean nationalist story. And calling people tankies for criticizing Ukraine or Zelenski is really, really, stupid.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Thought-terminating cliche, easier to disregard someone with coherent arguments and a humane outlook on Ukraine than to engage in a framework contradicting the propaganda in your nation's terms. I've explicitly told you how I've hosted Ukrainian refugees in my home, and I haven't told you how much I've donated to Ukrainian individuals, but you'd rather disregard me as a "Ukrainian hater" despite my actions.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Sure thing...you keep spewing that russian propaganda...

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Second thought-terminating cliche in a row!

I keep spewing the Russian propaganda such as me denying that the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine was to curb Nazism and arguing that that's just propaganda to justify it internally?

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I provided links and users...and you denied it....

Hell their is even a user in this comment that's saying Zelenskyy is a Zionist but also that Ukraine is filled with Nazis...make that one work.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 3 days ago

You cherrypicked quotes from users and misinterpreted what they say, after moving the goalposts from your initial statement.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

No...no I didn't but ok.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Hexbear banned me just for posting a meme of Bernie Sanders kissing Vladimir Putin with the caption "Tankies ❤️ Dead Palestinians".

I don't care how much money they raise. They are monsters. Inhuman, vile, irredeemable filth. Anyone who doesn't let me post in their community is the worst kind of pond scum.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 9 points 3 days ago

Damn, almost had me in the first half, commendable sarcasm comrade, made me chuckle

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

what a grumpy bear

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