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[-] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

China doesn't even imperialize as hard as America. They have this slow thing on taiwan and some of the nearby countries but they're not going to like Iran and bombing the shit out of it

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 25 points 3 days ago

I guess we don't count Xinjiang and Tibet because everyone's already used to them being part of China

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Imperialism only comes from the imperial region of the US, if it's from China it's sparkling liberation

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 16 points 3 days ago

The People's Boot!

[-] nullify3112@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

The imperial valley is not in the Empire State… where do they grow imperialism?

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

Or any other minority in China

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-set-pass-new-ethnic-minority-law-prioritise-use-mandarin-language-2026-03-12/

But don't worry, some dutch guy from mom's basement living on welfare will tell us that it's not what it looks and it's actually good for unified diversity of all people

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Just read the actual law that Reuters is talking about. It explicitly guarantees minority language rights among a variety of other protections for ethnic minorities. Acting like teaching mandarin is imperialism is absurd. It’s a constructed language designed to be the lingua franca of China. Even most Han Chinese do not learn mandarin as their first language.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Lmao this is cultural genocide 101. I know because soviet union did the same to my country under the same absurd language like "unity" and "greatness". Even if you are delusioned here you have to admit these are almost satire levels of red flags, no?

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

It would be a red flag if the law interfered with the many regional laws that mandate minority languages be taught in schools. This law does not do that at all. It explicitly guarantees the right to learn and use minority languages. To compare it to the cultural genocide of settler colonial countries that enforced language bans with violence and brutality is ridiculous.

Also don’t just apply whatever context you’re familiar with onto China. You’re severely underestimating the amount of cultural and lingual diversity in China. As I said before, Mandarin is a constructed language that was developed relatively recently, very unlike Russian. The vast majority of people in China do not learn Mandarin as their first language. That includes most of China’s political leaders. You’re basically trying to suggest that these people want to destroy their own regional languages and culture which is just absurd.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Man could you be more spineless and subservient or are you a bot? Central government says it's time to abandon your local culture for "great unity" and you bend over and take it. You don't see a problem here? Maybe it's good you guys are contained in your basement dwelling .ml just stay there and never leave please

[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

Why do you think it is bad for the Sami to use the Dutch language? Why is it bad for the Cherokee to use English? Why is it bad for the Zulu to use Afrikaans?

[-] Strawberry 8 points 3 days ago

I guess we don't count the Confederate States of America because everyone's already used to them being part of the USA.

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 3 days ago
[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Yet another example of how "whataboutism" just means, "trying to apply consistent standards and definitions instead of favoring Western countries."

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Do you really think that using an analogy is whataboutism?

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean if we're reaching that far back we should probably talk about all the states that used to be independent now a part of China. Let's just say that unification wasn't a peaceful proccess and involved a healthy amount of geneocide.

[-] aski3252@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

This is probably unpopular, but Taiwan is imo not a good example of imperialism. Taiwan is where the old government has fled to and where the government there officially still claims to be the rightful goverment of China. Their official name is republic of China, which obviously leads to tensions with the "people's republic of China".

Imperialism is when a nation excercises significant influence and control over other independent nations. Taiwan is not an independent nation, they are a rival/competitor with similar regional claims.

A better example of Chinese imperialism could be their economic initiatives in Africa.

[-] Geobloke@aussie.zone 3 points 3 days ago

Or their occupation of Tibet and East Turkestan

[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago

East Turkestan has never existed in history, and no natives on Xinjiang have ever expressed a desire for that to be brought into existence. Turkish Terrorists have though. Weird how Uyghurs in Turkey live a worse life in all respects than those in Xinjiang now though...

Also No. They didn't occupy Tibet, they freed it. But hey if you want to take the side of a child sex slave owning pedophile like the Dalai Lama...

[-] Geobloke@aussie.zone 1 points 12 hours ago
[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 points 10 hours ago

...it's racist to say the East Turkistan movement, created in 1992 by the National Endowment for Democracy, a CIA front organization responsible for hundreds of propaganda outlets and colour revolutions across the many states of America's and Israel's enemies, is a terrorist movement, despite the fact it has been linked to more than a dozen instances of violence in Xinjiang, resulting in China's investment in the region (and the accompanying very harsh treatment of all people in the region, not just the uyghur minority)?

Or are you saying it's racist to say Uyghurs in Turkey live objectively worse lives than those in Xinjiang? Because then you'd have to take that up with the world bank.

Or are you saying it's somehow a racist stereotype for Tibetans to be pedophiles? Because that's just not true, it's a documented historical fact that the Tibetan theocracy had child sex slaves, including the Lama at the time; if the Dalai Lama is reincarnated, then there's at least 50 years there where it was documented that he explicitly raped children, regularly, and created an entire Priest class that had exclusive rights to whatever non-Priest-class children they wanted to fulfill their sexual desires. It's one of the main reasons the civil war started; regardless of how you feel about China's involvement after the civil war started -- so it's pretty clear that's not a stereotype in any civilized land, just that Tibetan Buddhism is code for child sex.

So I'm failing to understand what you think is racist about any of this, I suppose I'm saying.

[-] Geobloke@aussie.zone 1 points 5 hours ago

Cool of you to say that it's just in Tibetans nature to have child sex slaves. Not racist at all

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 8 points 3 days ago

I mean, they did invade Tibet with ground forces and eventually bomb the shit out of them, kidnapped tons of children and killed their parents. Between 10k in the first three days (the tiny tiny tibet army was very overwhelmed) and their government estimates 1.2million tibetens were killed then and during the 220k Chinese soldier occupation, but the actual number is likely more around 87k to 150k, with the remaining number being imprisoned in slave labor camps and the children kidnapped to grow up as "real Chinese" children. Like the indeginous schools in the US and Canada. Things got so bad that according to the PRC's own reports, over 70% of rural PRC members defected and fought for the rebels. Skeletons clogged the Yellow River one year apparently. But as typical with all imperialism whether western or eastern, the winners try to explain the deaths away as famine when the soldiers steal all of the crops and shoot out the legs of the people, but they "technically" die of starvation or disease.

Then they came and cut all of their old growth lumber (maybe the real end goal?) with massive deforestation and resource harvesting.

But it is no question that China's current imperialism is economic for 90% of it. It is also by far the lesser of the evils and much much less violent and physically harmful nowadays after 1970 or so.

[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

Which western genocide are you confusing with the liberation of Tibet during its civil war?

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

You had me in the first half

Like I know the world is really shitty, but 50 years ago isn't that long ago. Especially when we're taking about forgetting a river of skeletons caused by a war of territorial expansion.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

Like I know the world is really shitty, but 50 years ago isn’t that long ago.

Y'all got some very long, very selective grudges. I feel pretty confident in saying that if the US had been at peace since Vietnam, I'd hate it a hell of lot less.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Yo you did the thing.

You're here proving the meme. Both are imperialism both are evil.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No, they aren't. One is freeing serfs in a region that's been part of your country for 200 years and then living peacefully with the world afterwards for the next 70 years and counting. The other is waging campaigns of violence and death, covert and overt, across every continent in the world, overthrowing democratically elected leaders in favor of autocrats who will sell out their country's resources.

There is absolutely no equivalence whatsoever.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

One is freeing serfs in a region that's been part of your country for 200 years

Is murder and genocide what we call freedom these days?

Anyway take that boot and shove it up your ass until something pops

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Is murder

Murder? Of slave owners? Yeah, that is often required for freedom. Do slavers really count as human enough for it to count as murder? Self-defense at worst.

and genocide

What "genocide" would that be?

Anyway take that boot and shove it up your ass until something pops

Right back at you, I'm not the one defending a slaver theocracy.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Refer to the meme again. I swear it's like arguing with a toddler. I'll keep it simple not defending China's genocide is not supporting the US. I refuse to engage with your rampant denial of facts and support of authoritarianism.

No human being deserves to live under a boot. I don't care which boot smells better

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I’ll keep it simple not defending China’s genocide is not supporting the US.

The US is not what I'm referring to with "slaver theocracy." I know all y'all are ignorant of history, but can you really be that ignorant?

I refuse to engage with your rampant denial of facts and support of authoritarianism.

No human being deserves to live under a boot

Well, unless that boot belongs to a lama, apparently. Then they're allowed to force you to work in chains until you die at 30 and anyone who tries to do anything about it, you'll denounce as an "imperialist" and accuse of "murder" and "genocide." Then you suddenly become perfectly fine with authoritarianism and think people should live under that lama's boot forever.

I don’t care which boot smells better

Complete lie, you love this flavor of boot:

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Hey good news you're now free. You better stop having your religion, your language, or your culture. Otherwise we will throw you in the skeleton river bone pile. Please say thank you or you guessed it bone pile.

Maybe we strive to support counties that don't turn people into bone piles or slaves? Just a thought, you won't get it though

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lol none of those things are remotely true. Tibetans are free to practice Buddhism and the vast majority speak their own language, as they were taught in public schools. If anything, there are almost certainly more people fluent than there were when the lamas were in charge, the serfs weren't exactly taught to read and write in any language.

Maybe we strive to support counties that don’t turn people into bone piles or slaves?

That's a good thought, you should try it sometime. Which makes me wonder, again, why you're still bearing a grudge over a slaver theocracy being ended 70 years ago.

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[-] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

We all know that is not because they lack the will.

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