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[-] Cassa 85 points 16 hours ago

the US system is broken, this is what happens when there is only two choices 🥲

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Sadly, similar stuff does happen even when you have more parties.

In my opinion, what's happening here is that the policies of the parties do not align with the opinions of the public. If you care about not doing a genocide, there wasn't a candidate to vote for last cycle. If you care about universal health care, there wasn't a candidate to vote for. And so on.

And you can measure this. Research has been carried out into the congruence between policy and public opinion in the US. For example, in the paper Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens, it was found that the impact the average American (as a group) has on policy is miniscule compared to the influence of economic elites. You and I don't benefit from invading Iran, but the owning class sure does, so that's what we do. All this is independent of who's in charge.

And so now you might rightly theorize that since there are only two parties, the democrats can fully cater to billionaires, as long as they're less bad than the republicans. And as time goes on they move further and further right, since they really don't have to care about voters, because the only other party consists of actual demons, and people will vote for them anyway.

However, you see this effect (the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence on policy) in pluralistic systems as well. Norway has about 9 major political parties, yet the study Affluence and Influence in a Social Democracy finds that here too, the rich have an outsized influence. Similar studies exist for other western European countries, most of which (if not all) have more than two major parties.

So I don't think the root of the problem is the two party system (although I'm sure it doesn't help).

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 50 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

So you have an average normal politician running against literally Hitler. And people vote for literally Hitler.

And you don't think the problem is the people voting for literally Hitler?

Don't get me wrong, the US voting system is also bad. But that is really, really not the main problem here...

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Funding a genocide is not normal.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 52 points 13 hours ago

IMO the bigger problem is that the "average normal politician" managed to be so bad that voters didn't feel motivated to vote against Hitler.

This should have been a slam dunk - and there were literally a number of easy ways to motivate voters, like promising to stop the ongoing genocide the country is funding. But when given the choice between "letting Hitler win" and "stopping the genocide", Harris and the entire DNC leadership chose to let Hitler win.

Isn't that deeply fucked up?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago

It was a slam dunk. I still know trump supporters who think everything negative said about him is a lie. Why did this never happen in human history before (an unrelenting smear campaign running for over a decade against an innocent man)? Meh I dunno something about woke.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Harris's win obviously wasn't a slam dunk, she lost.

[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 hours ago

yeah but she COULD have won retroactively if we browbeat people who already vote blue for the next ten years about it

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah... Were totally mad at people who voted blue. You're so right. 😬

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

I meant she was the obvious choice to anyone with >3 working neurons.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

She was! But since a rather large portion of the US public seems to have 0-3 neurons, it's not enough to be the obvious choice for everyone else.

Harris and her campaign knew this. They had polls clearly showing that she's so bad at motivating voters that she'll likely lose.

[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

If you had this system in Europe you would not like the results. Best outcome: 200 years of middle of the road conservative shit Christian party

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, I agree. If this can ever happen all you can really say is that us culture is cancer.

[-] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 hours ago

The system is not broken. It's functioning exactly as intended.

[-] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 7 points 9 hours ago

Gosh darn it, if only the good cop got their way they wouldn't have treated me like this.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 26 points 15 hours ago

It really is a fundamentally broken system.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Yes but more importantly this is what happens when people are so ignorant and uneducated that someone like Trump makes it past a humiliating response to a social media post about him considering a run for president. Then he is a horrible president, killing thousands of citizens through negligence, commits an insurrection, and voters are like "I dunno he's not that bad. He's male at least"

[-] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 12 points 12 hours ago

More importantly, he should have been charged for all the crimes he did in his first term. Shouldn't have even been able to run from his prison cell, or at least not between all the court cases he'd need to be worrying about.

[-] Lawnman23@piefed.social 1 points 10 hours ago

SCOTUS ruled that the POTUS cant be charged with literal crimes while in office, so...yeah.

[-] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that happened after Trump was reelected, meaning there were four whole years of Biden as president where he was never prosecuted.

[-] Lawnman23@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago

Because he didn't lose the 2020 election remember, Biden stole it. So therefore he never left office and was covered.

/s

Truthfully, I'm not sure why it seemed to be retroactively applied to his first term. Reality is probably because its all fucking corrupt so of course it did.

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