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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It really is one of the most obscene strategic fuck ups of all time.

Like... I cannot think of a historically comparable instance of shooting yourself not in the foot, but in the balls.

Sure, people at various points have made grave miscalculations... but usually that is due to just a total lack of relevant knowledge.

Trump has had to willingly disregard and fire just... tons and tons of people who told him this would be an insane thing to do that makes no sense.

Genuienly, I cannot think of a historical comparison to this.

It is essentially the worst strategic fuckup, literally of all time...

... maybe someone can point out to me a comparable historical fuck up that I am either unaware of or forgetting?

[-] Poop@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago

It's not the exact same situation, but Germany attacking the Soviet Union in 1941 when they already had the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in place is a pretty colossal blunder. We don't know what might have happened if Hitler hadn't done that, but it was the biggest oof I've heard of.

[-] ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's an interesting "what if?" in history, but it assumes the Germans negotiated that pact in good faith to assume there would ever be a situation in which they did not break it. In reality, expansion to the east to secure Lebensraum was always part of the plan. If they hadn't attacked in 1941 they would've done so later, but it was always going to happen lest Hitler lose face.

[-] Poop@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

I would agree with you that Germany was always just using the pact as a means of buying time. Either way, it's a fuck up of the highest order.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

It was just as likely that Stalin would have attacked Germany as soon as it showed signs of weakness.

[-] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Do you think there really were "tons and tons of people"? I mean, i hope there were, but honestly lately im thinking it was the opposite.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The NYT today put out a whole article explaining how Netanyahu dogwalked Trump into all of this, with about half the major figures in his cabinet expressing some opposition to this, some less insane figures being absent when Trump was talked up, by Israel, because Israel knows Trump's brain is leaking out of his ears, and those key people they kept making sure were not present were the ones who were at least somewhat competent at something.

Beyond that, I think we've now had something like a quarter of our top military brass either resign in protest or be purged by Hegseth.

Yes.

Yes there were tons of people who said 'this is insane' to at least some degree, and were either ignored or removed.

Trump's cabinet and government in general has basically been doing a Stalin-esque purge of literally anyone who won't pledge fealty to him, often quite literally with a written pledge.

Everybody that got DOGE'd... yeah this entire Trump term has literally been Trump purging or having purged everyone fairly directly under his command, who's not a loyalist.

[-] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I hope your right. we need all the dissenters in office/positions of power we can get.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I mean, JD Vance cautioned against doing this, but 'relcutantly' agreed.

Fox News is currently doing their best to present him as a sane alternative, indeed JD (along with Kusher and ... some other goober, Wittkoff?) is the one being sent to Islamabad this weekend as the lead negotiator.

JD is of course an evil piece of shit with no principles at all who is functionally a ventriloquist dummy of Peter Thiel... but he's fairly shrewd, his brains are not leaking out of his ears... he's considerably more rational than Trump.

JD is also fairly widely suspected to be one of the main people in the cabinet leaking things to the NYT and other journos.

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

[-] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'd think the War of the Triple Alliance would be my pick.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, it's a huge fuckup.

Yes, saying it is the "worst, literally of all time" is not true. At all.

Worst strategic fuckup would include, say, the US itself being decimated. There's a bunch of examples of that kind of thing in history.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Like, just in modern(ish) history - Operation Barbarossa like someone else mentioned. Operation Somme. Little Bighorn. Operation Market Garden. The Vietnam War escalation. Etc etc.

Go back through "all time" and there's way worse strategic decisions. I mean, did you really think "all time" was that limited...? Are you forgetting, like, the majority of what you know about human history...?

Still, this was a major, stupid, 1000% Trumpesque fuckup.

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