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Here is a Google image of Dodge ram 3500. EVEN IF YOU NEED A CAR, NO ONE NEEDS A VEHICLE THIS BIG.
But how else can you ensure a 100% fatality rate of everything you run over.
And also make sure that you don't have to see the poor people as you run them over.
The issue is not so much size but height. These things are all over where I am as fleet vehicles and even the good ol' type will comment that they can not see anything in front. Just look at the door or normal car in the background of that picture and you get an idea. These hoods are no joke 1.7 meters high for no other reason then to look mean.
Obligatory...
This is a lot of space to tell me what I already know, that driving my Abrams tank is very safe for me and pretty safe for others
Got me thinking, why don't they put forward facing cameras? Like how we have backup cams.
I mean no offense by this. It's not that it is a bad idea, but an amusingly typical American ways of problem solving.
They don't want to think about safety
It's wild how there's this kind of evolutionary pressure to turn the grills into ever bigger and more menacing threat displays and it just keeps spiralling out of control because the cars in the rear view mirror only keep getting bigger and more intimidating and you constantly need to buy a new ego prosthetic in the form of a suburban tank like this to keep up with the other drivers that signal "I'M GONNA EAT YOU ALIVE" to you during every commute and grocery run. I'm sure manufacturers love that.
I need a pickup truck for farm work, but I hate how big these things have gotten. I wouldn't buy anything made in the past 20 years. All this height for no practical benefit.
Legit, like i understand having a use for that big open storage solution but seeing how they are now too tall to reach is odd as heck.
Old trucks are actual working trucks. The bed is low enough to easily lift heavy objects into. Modern trucks have no practical purpose in mind. They're purely aesthetic. Nearly any load you're lifting into that thing can also be hauled in almost any other vehicle easier. You'd need a forklift to load anything substantial, in which case an old truck or a van would be easier.
GMC named their bro-dozers AT-4. AT as in anti-tank. They're marketing to the suburban tacticool jackasses. Loud exhaust and parking in crowded bus shelters. Yeah fuck these guys.
But what if you want to run over all your children in one go?
We already have horses for that, and you don't even need to drive them yourself.
Self-driving horses are the future.
But Iโm a poor, blue collar worker who lives in the country side and need to carry my very heavy tools (6 hammers and a wrench) that a truck from the 2000s cannot handle
I got a family!!!
Look, I'm terribly insecure and fragile. You expect me to drive something reasonable?
A used ranger accommodated all of my hauling needs with room to spare when I needed it for work. I drove the company pickup which had the double rear tires once and it was awful and I couldn't recommend it even just for doing pickup truck things.
how else are they supposed to haul around their ego?
So it would've been fine and dandy if the cyclist had been killed by someone driving a Prius?
'Cause that's what you imply by placing this bullshit emphasis trying to single out big trucks in particular. Comments like yours reek of implied small-car apologism, and I, for one, am getting sick and hired of it!
There's a reason this community is called "fuck cars," and not "fuck big trucks" or something. it's because the problem is cars โ all of them!
Any car, even the smallest, can turn a pedestrian or cyclist into a red smear when driven negligently.
Every car, even the smallest, takes up an entire lane on the street and an entire parking space.
Every car, even the smallest, contributes to car-dependent urban design.
Singling out big trucks as if they're materially worse than all the other death machines is nothing but a distraction from the real problem at best, and an active disinformation campaign at worst. Our goals should be to get people out of cars entirely, not just into smaller ones!
No, it probably wouldn't have happened in the first place, because the driver of a sensibly-sized car can see things that are less than fifty fucking feet ahead of the dash.
Monstrous behemoths like this should be prohibitively expensive to own for personal use and/or be restricted to industrial/ag use only. Fuck your camping or hauling one chair or whatever the fuck you do twice a year. You can rent for something that seldom.
They are last time I checked "prohibitively expensive" but people are dumb enough to pay $100k over 8 year financing. These things are also no better for "industrial/ag" then a truck from 30 years ago that was 4 feet less tall, had an 8 foot bed and a similar towing capacity at a fraction of the price.
These things are the crystallization of our hubris.
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If big trucks were banned, muderous MAGA psychopaths would just mow down cyclists using Dodge Chargers or whatever instead.
I'm pretty fucking far as anti-car sentiment goes but to think that a meaningful amount of cyclists killed via cars is people doing it intentionally is insane. You can kill a man dead in a Smart ForTwo easily but let's not pretend the giant driving blind spots and especially the cultural messaging that goes along with HUGE ANGY TRUCK (/ CAR) doesn't help
The thing is, they are materially worse than other consumer vehicles. They do all the bad things but more, and their normalization makes it all worse for everyone -- have you seen the size of parking spaces in Europe?
Not in the way that actually matters, which is their effect on low-density zoning and minimum parking requirements. A parking space is a parking space is a parking space โ they're all (roughly) the same size!
Have you never had to street park a vehicle or are you a complete moron?
2023 Dodge ram 3500 shortest length is 232", longest is 260.8". 2023 VW golf is 168.9".
That's over 5 feet longer at minimum and over 7.5 feet longer at worst. That's a huge amount of wasted space.
They're wider meaning they cramp the roads horizontally as well (while driving or parked).
There's no logical defense of these compensation-mobiles other than "I like them" and that's fine, you're allowed to like them. Leave it at that. They're objectively terrible for the safety of everyone around them and are a complete waste of space.
I drove a Jeep Comanche for years and that's as big a pickup as 99% of pickup owners would ever actually need.
no they arent lol, you try parking one of those american cars in this city...
you can get away with owning one in the suburbs, but just parking on the side of the street like most people do? forgetaboutit
i do agree with the wider point though. get rid of all of them, nobody needs private cars. in fact, life on earth desperately needs us to ban private cars.
There is evidence that these shit wagons are largely responsible for a major increase in pedestrian fatalities.
EVs are also a cause, because of their heavy batteries. It's like getting hit by a tank.
You know what causes pedestrian fatalities? The presence of cars of any size.
You know what eliminates pedestrian fatalities? Deleting parking lots and pedestrianizing streets.
I'd like to see more streets limited to people. I guess it's hard to pull off due to politics/economics. But you can hope.
No, not all cars are created equally. Some require much more public space and some are also much more efficient at killing.
My truck is a good boy, he wouldn't harm a fly. It's all about upbringing, genetics has nothing to do with it.
Fuck cars but trucks and SUVs are more dangerous than cars to pedestrians, and to argue otherwise just makes you look silly
https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo?t=521
Relax
This community is so fucking funny.
Yes, it is funny that folks here apparently just want to circlejerk scapegoating big trucks while downvoting any actual urbanist who dares to point out that they're focusing on the wrong problem.
I just wish that those of you with actually good points were capable to conveying it without coming across as a fucking insane person.
That's fair. My frustration about the truck circlejerking has been building for a while, and I was venting.
BS you genuinely do not need it. Go look at what long time contractors are driving, it's mostly smaller toyota trucks or vans.
You need a huge truck to haul some huge shit for the day? Rent it, duh
Why would you need that specific truck? It looks like it is gigantic for the sake of being gigantic.
Eh, you need them for work and someone who lives out in the countryside probably could make regular use of them.
The blame rests on the automakers though, pickup trucks used to have the same cargo capacity but were smaller. This lack of visibility is 100% an aesthetic choice. Look at the sprinter truck as an example, it can pull and has great visibility.
How else am I supposed to haul all of my groceries for a week? \s
It's so fucking annoying when I'm trying to turn and check for oncoming traffic and one of these or its smaller cousins pulls up next to me so I can't see
But I need to pick up 50 lbs of mulch from Home Depot once a year ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ