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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

The analogy is a little shaky but yeah that's a pretty good intro. The hard issue to solve here is with how this injustice is resolved. I think the most reasonable solution attacks the problem directly: rewriting racist laws (like zoning) and punishing or heavily disincentivising racist behavior in government officials (including police and judges). In the analogy, this would be equivalent to enacting hotel policies against discrimination and retrofitting disabled-accessible options into the building.

[-] OrnateLuna 5 points 1 year ago

That still isn't directly Attacking the problem, you remove racist laws however you still have a system in place to add oppressive laws so they will come back. The problem isn't the laws or the government officials it's the whole damn system and unless you change the system it will continue to oppress. The hotel is designed to be discriminatory and to slowly go back to being discriminatory (as you said shaky anlogy) if changes are to be made. The only real solution is tearing the whole hotel down and building a park there

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I appreciate your response but I'm lost. What exactly is the system if it's not the government, the laws, and their lasting effects? Are we just talking about society?

[-] OrnateLuna 2 points 1 year ago

Well the system I am talking in the broadest sense is hierarchy.

For someone or something to have the ability to oppress they must have more power over others and they must take that power away from those others ( you can't really oppress the U.S government bc it holds more power than you). Government holds more power bc it has taken that power away from me and you (think of all the regulations and restrictions put on us or laws), and they keep that power through force (i.e the police) This whole system of oppression enables even more direct violence, if the government had no power over people it couldn't systematically oppress black people or other minority groups.

And the thing is this power imbalance has and will always lead to certain groups being oppressed bc that is how it functions.

Now how do you actually build a system without violence and hierarchy well then you can learn about anarchism and it's proposed ways of living. Anark and Andrewism have good Intro videos about all of this.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

if there is no hierarchy at all and no one has more power than anyone else how do you have a government? If the government had no power over people it couldn't exist. Why would anyone care what they say?

[-] OrnateLuna 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly there would be no government

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