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That's cruel and requires violence. There are situations that justify cruelty and violence, but given that there is no food scarcity, it is not justified now.
Feeding chickens and eating eggs is cruel and violent?
I'd love to hear your misguided reasoning.
Individuals must be treated as ends, never as means.
I have cats. Aside from rodent control, they don't serve any purpose other than being part of the family. If my cats somehow had the ability to lay eggs, and since they are all fixed these are unfertilized eggs with no possibility of bearing offspring. Would it be wrong if me to make an omelette from them?
I might have made it more weird by using my cats.
But if you had a few chickens and provided them food and shelter and took good care of them, like you would any pet, why not use their eggs? They're going to lay them either way. Is it more moral to throw them away?
Just for clarity, I don't accept that it is okay to keep individuals as pets. But that isn't relevant to the current discussion so I didn't get into that.
Those chickens didn't just happen. Their very existence is abuse. Creating an individual with the preformed intent that you prevent it from becoming able to care for itself, that it will be dependent on you for everything for it's entire life, that is one of the most abusive things you can do to another individual.
Fine, rescue your cats or whatever, but that's not what you're talking about right now. You're talking about a captive individual (ie a slave) who exists to convert calories for you, like a machine. And if you build your lifestyle around stealing eggs from slaves, then it's not just one chicken, is it? You gotta replace them whenever they can no longer meet your needs for eggs. And in this scenario, what use is a broken machine that doesn't produce eggs.
You're not simply taking eggs that they would be laying anyway; they wouldn't EXIST. Not as an individual, but also not as a genentic line that is cursed to lay far more eggs than its own interests have any reason for it to lay. It lays so many eggs that its body becomes depleted. It is not natural for chickens to lay eggs so often! That is something that we did to them. And it's yet more abuse!
Abuse is inescapable when you use an individual's body for your own purposes.
And again, we are talking about fucking eggs. There is no food shortage. So there is no justification for even a little bit of cruelty and violence. Plus, eggs are not good for you in the first place!!
Wow. That's nuts. I respect that it's your opinion, and I wish you the best of luck, but what do you eat?
I hope it's not plant based. Because growing an individual from a seed only to eventually slaughter and devour it is cruel. Have you even considered how the plant feels when pluck it's genitals off and eat them, or in some instances, gather a bunch and put them out on display?! How grotesque!
Just because plants can't tell you how much they are suffering, do you take that as consent to dominate and devour them at your will?
Okay, I can see you have become defensive. It's understandable. When I finally accepted the vast cruelty and violence I was a part of, it fucking broke me. That is what you are trying to avoid. That is what I tried to avoid for a very long time. Eventually I accepted that I could not be a kind, decent, good person, and continue to use cruelty and violence to exploit unwilling individuals. The person I was deserved to be broken.
I'm going to let you take back your bad faith arguments. This isn't merely an intellectual exercise for either of us. We're talking about things that matter and choices we make many times every day and it's hard to talk about dispassionately and objectively. When you use bad faith, it's not because you think it will defeat me, but because it's all you have to distract yourself from thoughts and feelings that you don't want to process.
I said eggs not butchering them for meat !!!
Explain yourself.
I'm sorry, you cannot exploit the body of an individual against their will without cruelty and violence. This is a terrible thing to come to terms with, but I hope you try to. There is no way around it short of abject denial.
Here is some factual information about how egg laying hens (and their brothers, who are macerated alive in a blender within hours of hatching) necessarily suffer atrocity under the economic realities that rule them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko&t=1400s
not op, but I assume they are vegan. many vegans have the misconception any product from a animal is violence against them. as they cannot consent...
but the truth is, no vegans live on farms... they don't understand chickens lay unfirtalized eggs regardless.
they also see the breeding programs of chickens as violent as it's for producing meat/eggs. so by raising chickens you are perpetuating it... but that's stupid. that's like seeing a hurt dog by the side of the road and saying "if we help that one we have to help all of them". baby chicks are often given away not sold...
Just to add, a lot of vegans (not all) ride their high-horse on their moral high-ground and judge, if not outright insult/shame non-vegans for their choice to not be vegan. A lot like how many religions shame each other for not believing the 'right' thing.
'A few bad apples spoil the bunch,' as they say. The most vocal also make the group as a whole, difficult to tolerate.