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[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 201 points 2 months ago

“It’s just a harmless field; what’s the big deal?”

The big deal is that it’s on the heels of age verification bullshit that fascists are pushing through with the help of tech bros, so that they can eventually push all of us into a scenario where we have zero privacy.

It’s not the adding of the field itself or the fact that it can be filled with nonsense. It’s the reasoning backing it.

“But it’s the law!”

Yeah, fucking and…? It’s a stupid mass surveillance law disguised as a protection, and per usual, it’s written like vague dog shit. This is the smallest part of the wedge. More will come of this and if developers like this keep volunteering themselves to help the fascists, we will all be fucked. Here’s an alternative approach: just don’t add this. You can fight back by not fucking implementing this. Easy.

[-] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 62 points 2 months ago

“But it’s the law!”

I was just following orders!

this same person would be chuckling to themself about how pointless this all is as he locks the door on the gas chambers.

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He's adding age verification for the internet, not sending people to gas chambers. You really need to touch grass, urgently, because clearly your dependence on the internet is not healthy.

[-] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

As you sit by and let the pot get one degree hotter

[-] Zombie@feddit.uk 45 points 2 months ago

Twenty Lessons For Fighting Tyranny

  1. Do not obey in advance. Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.

https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/twenty-lessons-fighting-tyranny/

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

THIS! Those that do obey in advance, especially trying to help impose it on the rest of us, are collaborators!!! Treat them as such!

[-] Bloefz@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Also, they will use it as a means to lock content they don't want. Like in some jurisdictions it's already forbidden to share any kind of LGBTQ information even medical with minors.. Even in EU, like Hungary. Clearly this age verification will be used for this too. And people not willing to age verify will be locked out too.

It's part of their campaign of forcing conservative 'values' onto everyone.

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Agreed. To elaborate:

Sure, the developer is a bit of a Judas for complying in advance, but our anger should be aimed at the people with power and reach promoting these laws in the political sphere (the metaphorical Pharisees).

To those saying "it's just a field", please consider that the timing is a more significant statement than the addition of the field itself. Why now? If you don't support fascism, don't build the frameworks that support it and don't let fascists use YOUR platforms or software to make THEIR point, make them fork it and let them fail. I don't think many members of the senate or house would be capable of adding this themselves. I'd be surprised if they could code hello world in TI-83 BASIC. If they ask you to do it, stub your toe and call in sick. Make it really shitty. Leave in a bunch of bugs that crash the program then blame the age attestation feature to turn users against it. Use copywrited code that they'll have to remove later due to license incompatibilities. Report your boss to HR for every indiscretion that you might have normally overlooked. Or do nothing; that's still better than complying in advance.

We have to break the narrative that this is inevitable. There's enough of us, with concentrated enough knowledge and influence (aka, you folks are a bunch if nerds and I love it!), that if we collectively stop, the whole train stops or derails.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

wasting 32 or 64 bits for absolutely no reason is also pretty offensive in itself

[-] Majestic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You don't understand.

The alternative to device based private attestation which is what this is or could be part of is constant online verification by Palantir.

Is every time you want to view porn or adult content you have to verify your real identity so evil corporations and the government who pays them know exactly what your fetishes are and can blackmail you. So they know exactly what you're posting online because you have to face-scan and ID-scan to set up an email account, a social media account, any account with anything that allows posting content online. Is training the population not to enter a date for their kids or themselves when setting up a computer or device account for the first time, once but upon demand scan their face, scan their ID, comply, sit meekly in fear because everything they do online is known.

What does this know? Your birthday. That's nothing. As it stands it you can enter anything you want. Fight them when they come to add a verification system to this and point out parents would be in a position to set this up for their kids anyways and its just spying. Fight on stronger ground.

We've already lost the maximalist position. The internet scanning and ID verification has already been enacted in several states and countries and we risk a world where it becomes the norm and hosting companies drop anyone who doesn't implement it because they're made liable as well. This stuff won't be repealed. People don't live in democracies. They live in a dictatorship of the wealthy and the corporations. Your dissent doesn't matter and it cannot reach most tech illiterate people who have far more pressing concerns than to riot over this.

This is a compromise solution and I wish more people would see it. If you can bend you don't break. If you don't bend and your enemy is the government they are stronger than you and they will snap you like a twig.

Linux desktop market share is too small to matter. And if you make this push fail then the only alternative, the only viable solution these politicians who are being cajoled and urged to implement this will see is online live-scan face and ID verification and it'll sweep everything. You'll have destroyed the internet and having saved Linux won't matter. After that it'll be a quick move to ban encryption that the government cannot break and ISPs will block traffic they can't inspect. Game over. A simple maneuver from the place you force them to by refusing to cooperate and enact this compromise, privacy-preserving solution. We need strong defensible positions to protect privacy and the internet and free software and to understand that the old ways have been lost, they've died, they've been strangled and a compromise position must be taken up to endure and avoid a total loss.

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago

They can already put it on the parents to verify if they want. Just buy age compliant devices. Stop shilling this nonsense and forcing fear and hopelessness down everyone's throat. This is bullshit and you know it. We already have a defensible position.

[-] G_M0N3Y_2503@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

It is defensible in this kind of community, but I doubt it's defensible in a board voter base. For instance people see billionaires and are saying the government should step in and do something, because as individuals we are somewhat helpless. In this instance we're like we can fork/we can revert so the government ideally just needs to back off. But if you ask a non-tech savvy voter (and a parent in your example) they will just see big tech and say the government should step in and do something. Has this method of governance been compromised? Sure, is this law an example of that? Sure. But what can we do? The government... Well until people can agree on that, I think we are just trying to find a compromise so that most people can easily dismiss the perspective that parenting tech is too hard. And if people can believe that typing in an age for their child and see big penalties for big tech if they ignore that age, that seems to me the placebo this situation needs.

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

Am I the only one that is sick and tired of explaining to clueless people why this type of legislation should be shot down. This has been going on since SOPA and PIPA in the US around 2010 or whatever. I feel like I'm blue in the face.

Parents can get child compliant devices if they want. They need to leave our shit alone. How hard would it be to fork a child resistant Ubuntu or have Mac and Windows do it so these Karen's can protect their own damn kids. But forget the guns and pedophiles running every country in the world. Let's just fuck with the passions of the FOSS community and open the door for more surveillance.

[-] LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

why is it always the .ml users coming in to defend the most tyrannical shit ever while claiming we dont truly understand it

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Finally a sane take.

To take things further this whole outrage reads as a Karen screaming at a starbucks cashier and threatening to boycott the store because they asked for her name. It's an overreaction to a minor issue, by someone who overestimate their power, directed at someone who has no real power, while the Palantir surveillance system runs on the cameras behind them.

[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Yep, then using linux will be illegal, great fucking idea boss

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 40 points 2 months ago

You’re welcome to be a spineless muppet trying to obey unethical laws, but I won’t be.

[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Nope, I am a muppet whose livelihood depends on them respecting the law. If you are from one of the godforsaken regions doing stupid laws you should vote against them, I need to comply with your laws because I need to work to feed my family.

You can call me a spineless muppet all you want but I am not the cause stupid laws exists, take it on the californianas for that crap, they elected the idiots doing this. I vote our own idiots and until now they made it clear this bullshit is not on their table, thank you wery much but I did my part.

[-] paul@lemmy.org 17 points 2 months ago

"then you should vote against them"

Oh you think they asked if they could implement these? And btw, it's coming to your country soon too. This is a global movement

[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Then i sure hope linux will not be illegal in my country too

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

Another collaborator, “just following orders.”

[-] mcv@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 months ago

Only in California and Brazil. And I suspect neither has a shortage of people able to add this field.

[-] underscores@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Exactly, make your own fascist distro with a fork of systemd and leave the original landscape alone

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