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Germany has just made the standard Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory (blog.documentfoundation.org)

submitted 2 months ago by FirmDistribution@lemmy.world to c/opensource@lemmy.ml

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[-] sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de 206 points 2 months ago

This is something very important: Don't focus on aplications (FOSS or not) but on open data formats and proper import/export mechanisms so you can switch applications easily.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 2 months ago

Its the base layer required for the long game yeah

[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 42 points 2 months ago

That's why I use Obsidian! It's not open source, but all my notes are just... pre-emptively saved as markdown files on disk. If they fuck me over I can just leave and open it in literally any markdown editor 😭

If they used a proprietary format, I probably just wouldn't have used them in the first place and would have had to use a shittier alternative.

[-] R00bot 7 points 2 months ago

Same! Them using markdown means I've been able to make an Obsidian-like app for Wear OS, with a phone app to sync your vault to the watch. Wouldn't have been possible if they weren't using markdown. Hoping to launch it on the Google Play store in a month or so :)

[-] lelovsky@szmer.info 5 points 2 months ago

I love obsidian, I wanted to send a donation, but they only sell merch with expensive shipping :<

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Sub to their sync service for just one month?

[-] lelovsky@szmer.info 3 points 2 months ago

Never thought about it, thanks for a suggestion

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

Which markdown format?

GitHub or Stack Exchange or Reddit?

[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

A combination of CommonMark and GitHub Flavored Markdown so it's compatible with most markdown formatting people are used to. Also supports LaTeX and HTML. (and of course any custom syntax modifications you make with custom CSS or plugins)

[-] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

Obsidian is pretty good. I currently use Logseq, which has a slightly different model that clicked a bit better for me. As a bonus, it's open-source.

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

You could, I don't know, use an open source note taking app? I mean, it's not like obsidian has some unique and unmatched capabilities ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[-] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago

What is a plaintext (non-database) md editor that had wikilinks, LaTeX, back links, tags, PDF export, properties and dataviews, and a plugin community? Plus it needs an android app and desktop app that can be synced (even just via syncthing) seamlessly.

I am always open for switching!

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The silence is deafening, because there isn’t a FOSS program that comes close to Obsidian’s functionality. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone drop the “lul just use FOSS instead” line to garner upvotes, when literally no FOSS alternative exists. There are some FOSS programs that come close in some regards, but none of them do everything Obsidian does and support multiple platforms.

Lemmy has an obsession with FOSS (for good reason) but that means many users basically try to act like FOSS vegans. They’d use six different (and largely incompatible) FOSS programs just to scratch the surface of what a closed-source program can do. And their hackles start to raise if you ever point out that there aren’t FOSS alternatives for everything.

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

ok, but there's not much substance to your comment besides unsubstantiated "zealotry" towards obsidian and some general hot takes against lemmy and the FOSS community through which it emerged.

Maybe you could start listing out a few aspects and features of obsidian that you deem so important and unique, and I'm sure that you may discover a few very compelling alternatives.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm all set with https://triliumnotes.org/ . It's not just a more versatile and capable note taking app, it's also one that I can deploy simultaneously "local first" and "as a web service", so my notes are reachable everywhere (even where I'm not allowed to install the heavy client).

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

The silence of two hours ago lol

Chill brother. Like i get it, and FOSS advocates should lead with meaningful alternitives first imho, but there definitly seems to be some https://joplinapp.org/

I personally prefer vscodium and nvim myself for notes but that isnt a one for one comparison to obsidian (in either direction) imho

[-] Chulk@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I'm an Obsidian user myself, but I have heard good things about Logseq

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

https://joplinapp.org/

Seems interesting

Im a VSCodium kind of guy myself

[-] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

Vscodium for notes, interesting.

I looked into joplin before obsidian actually, but it is much more of a standard note taker, not good for zettelkasten sort of notes (link and tag focused)

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Im.very into "AsCode" and pretty comfortable with vi bindings. So the two extremes where i document (random notes with no structure needed and formally verified documentation ) it works for me.

I can preview the markdown, use vale rules to enforce style and vocab, do mermaid.js diagrams, link my UML to stuff, etc.

Then check into git to do version control or just to save it off local.

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Joplin is reasonably good as long as you don't use so much metadata to keep things organised. It's also pretty rigid, and hence limiting. If you want something with the superficial simplicity of joplin, but that would scale up to your needs, I recommend giving https://triliumnotes.org/ a good look.

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

If you drop the plaintext requirement (which IMO is anachronistic, if not for the necessity to fend against a potentially turning hostile developer in a close-source set-up), you may find https://triliumnotes.org/ liberating.

If you must stick to the "notes as plain text files" paradigm, siyuan is better than obsidian in about every aspect, and logseq in other, more niche ones. Trilium is better than them all (IMHO), being the only one that does "note as data" correctly and efficiently (you don't have the same data model divide like seen in notion between notes and databases).

[-] Narwhalrus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Do you have any recommendations?

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Since it's a topic that comes back often on /c/selfhosted@lemmy.world I didn't want to open new floodgates, but I can only warmly recommend https://triliumnotes.org/ :-)