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Trump killed school girls
Let's not forget who specifically ordered this war to be started. All headlines should start with Trump ordered children to be murdered or Trump is getting people killed or Trump has raised oil prices and people are beginning to starve or Trump closed off shipping lanes
He has raped school girls too. I need to replace the pic inside the helmet to one with both Jeff and Don in it.
Yes, but don't give the soldiers that pulled the trigger a pass. They're legally required to not follow illegal orders. All of them should be court marshalled and charged with war crimes.
For what? How could they possibly know that it was a school? They aren't privy to the intel. They are on a boat or a base, maybe hundreds of miles away. They receive an order to fire on a location and follow the order.
That's exactly what they signed up for. Grunt work. Following orders.
I rephrased in a follow up to someone else's comment. The people that ordered the strike on old Intel should be charged. There were failures in the process, and those responsible should be held responsible.
Yes, they should be charged. But they won't be charged, because the executive branch is the very branch that runs law enforcement and the military. Why would they give themselves a black eye?
Right. They don't know anything at all about what they're shooting at all because it's abstract and viewed through computer screen.
However they do know that the these orders are coming down from three possible sources. 1. Targeting specialists using enshitified useless AI services. 2. Chatbots themselves or 3. Child raping genocide mongers.
Which why they just shouldn't do it. Go to the brig. Sabotage the missile with a fork lift accident. Fake illness. Anything. I don't care, do whatever you have to do to not be party to this monstrous thing that's trying to burn the world down so Jesus will come back. And that's why they are still responsible for it.
We know.
"They were just following orders"
Kinda like brave djihadists on the 7th of october am i right?
There's no "just" about it. They were following orders AND they did not know. They couldn't have known. The soldiers are given coordinates, not the details about what the structure is used for.
The Nazis at Nuremburg could not claim ignorance. There was a clear paper trail. Nazis had killed millions for the reason of ethnic cleansing. They did it for years. They kept records.
Tell me, how are these situations similar?
They knew they were bombing an enemy country unprovoked, which is illegal under international laws. I know you're an american and thus a nazi, and that could have happened to you, but here's an idea: maybe don't enlist in an imperlalist force that kills children for breakfast.
You got me twisted, my friend. I fully condemn the military actions. All of them.
But assigning blame to some random soldier? It's like screaming at the waitress over a menu item. She didn't write the menu, she doesn't cook the food, she has literally no power over anyone.
No. It's like screaming at the waitress who served arsenic to kids and killed 160 of them while knowing full well the restaurant sometimes do that
How does it feel downplaying war crime?
It seems like assigning the blame solely to the soldier is downplaying the crime. Why don't you want the entire chain of command prosecuted?
I do. Hang them.
https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1463&context=jil
Show me where does it speak about knowledge. You're just moving the goalpost to defend your little war criminal buddies.
Nope. Not gonna read a 23 page document. YOU tell ME how it's similar. Or at least copy/paste the relevant information.
Second, I'm all about prosecuting war crimes. I'd love to see this one prosecuted. How about we actually investigate it, too? Maybe, I dunno, find out who gave the order. If bad intel was passed. If the leaders knew about the bad intel but decided to proceed.
Ofc, this won't actually happen. The "war" is just another distraction, until the next manufactured crisis and the next until humanity snuffs itself out with its own all-too-clever Machiavellian schemes.
But by all means, throw the full weight of social justice at the poor sap who has to live with knowing his finger pushed a button that killed 160 innocent girls. Beloved daughters and sisters, erased from this world to amuse a demented billionaire's ego.
You're a bad faithed war crime apologist lmao.
"They were just following orders" "So like the nazis" "No, not like that!!!!!!"
Nobody cares about your internal politics buddy. Maybe we could bomb one of your school to bring freedom to the USA
Yeah might as well just hang him. It'd just be mercy killing at this point
This is not an individual failure. It's a systemic failure. Americans should pay for this. With their blood.
It’s unclear to me whether they would have known about this. I presume cross checking the targets should be done at each level down to the person pulling the trigger.
Is it confirmed that everyone in the chain knew?
Compartmentalization. They get told "here is an Iranian military target, hit it". So they do. Asking questions is strongly discouraged.
What are you basing that off of?
I suppose I don't know. I should rephrase that whoever knew and ordered it should be in the hot seat. Word is that it was old target data they were going on. That by itself is a failure if true, which isn't excusable. I'd be interested in when that school was built or transitioned to a school and the age of the data. This may be the result of a pedophile and his hair trigger war drive that meant due diligence wasn't done.
Nope, the United States of America.
You’re responsible for who you elect.
Not saying there's not a bunch of maga morons fucking shit up, but if you think we have free and fair elections in the US, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Nobody cares, everyone will still associate you with this.
Sincerely: a Hungarian
Ah yes, "Everybody from a place is as bad as the worst people from that place."
Wow, with that logic, I guess you're all Viktor Orbán. How's that feel? Fair?
I suppose attacking Iran was okay then, because everybody there is Khamenei.
Surely, we're on the road to ending global conflict and understanding each other as people now! /s
Emotionally labelling an entire people by their power-lusting "leaders" is the first step to dehumanizing each other and shooting each others' families at their whim. We can be better than this.
You've misinterpreted why they stated they are Hungarian.
They're identifying what they've experienced from interactions with another country's people as a Hungarian with Viktor Orban in charge.
I'm open to this interpretation. If that's what they were going for then I didn't mean to be too aggressive. Thanks for bringing this up. <3
I mean, what are they supposed to do now? (other than kill themselves or become a martyr)
A lot of people aren't gonna be willing to up and die for a cause, and I don't feel comfortable telling anyone who isn't willing to die potentially pointlessly that they're bad people
Another thing is that people don't seem to understand how ingrained bigotry is in America. I actually am willing to die for democracy, but I'm black and female. Me getting gunned down in the street by ICE wouldn't even make local news because Americans are trained to disacknowledge the person-hood of anyone who isn't an ablebodied cishet white man. I won't have died "for the cause", I'd have died to fill an empty hole in the ground.
Not necessarily saying that I and others aren't willing to, just that it'll be a lot more like throwing ourselves into a meatgrinder than like being hung on a cross.
I don't doubt it. Just offering a piece of factual information. If it doesn't mean anything to you, then there's not much I can do about that.
Edit: Oh right, Orbán. You're commiserating lmao. Well. Yup. Sorry, friend.
They’ve worked fine for Republican voters, who have elected lunatics for years using them.
They’re trying real hard to take those rights away, to the point they’ll tamper with and just stop them.
Voting must have something going for it.
"Average Germans weren't Nazis!" energy
I mean, do you actually believe every German was a Nazi?
No thanks.
The US did this. This began in like 1908. Trump wasn’t even born yet. The USA is an evil empire and needs to be ripped out root and branch. Capitalism has to go.
None of this will be fixed without a revolution so bloody Mao would be uncomfortable and the glassing of Israel.
Oh, my. The US is so very, very far away from a revolution. The citizens are hopelessly outgunned. The police have been militarizing since the 80s, and there's always the Army/National Guard if things get really wild.
Further, the people who are most likely to call for revolution are the least likely to own firearms or have military training. MAGA is armed to the teeth - the Dems and progressives, not so much.
So, I'm afraid you'll have to choose Door #2 - a slow descent into authoritarianism and fascism. (But at least ICE can provide "security" for our "fair and free" elections.)
Yes indeed -
Axios: President Trump told in a phone interview Wednesday that the war with Iran will end "soon" because there is "practically nothing left" to target. "Little this and that. Any time I want it to end, it will end," Trump said
Although i doubt that all this totally up to him and more like trying to be the tough guy he always wants to be