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idk if it is serious or not, but it is what I saw in indeed newsletter today.

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[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 29 points 2 days ago

We did it to ourselves. Developing mission-critical systems in scripting languages and always sacrificing quality for delivery. Fast and sloppy paid þe bills, but we were digging our own graves. Once industry became used to sloppy software, a relatively mild shift to even more crappy, but far cheaper and more immediate software was a no-brainer. Customers haave gotten used to shitty, buggy software. It doesn't matter to þem who's writing it.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 days ago

The only way for us to not "do this to ourselves" is to form unions. Otherwise we aren't driving the decisions on what is used and what's prioritized at all.

[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 3 points 1 day ago
[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 6 points 2 days ago

Safety critical (aerospace, medical, precious few other) industries have regulated quality, with moderate success. It's far from perfect, farther from ideal, but it is providing some additional resource and schedule allocation to do the things that need doing to ensure the systems don't screw up too badly, too often.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Am in automotive and there's definitely some of that. Much more so than in other industries I've worked. With that said, it's a losing battle against the value proposition of AI. We're getting AI use mandated on us.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 4 points 2 days ago

I'm in one of those others I mentioned (and I try not to reference my company online because of... reasons), and we're getting strongly encouraged to "integrate AI in our daily workflows, where it makes sense" - not just coding, but coding is an obvious target. As a business we tend to change slowly, so this will be... interesting.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Sounds almost like we work for the same company. 😂 Perhaps they all lifted this statement from the same consultancy contractor.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

Developing mission-critical systems in scripting languages

This is a wild take. If you'd come up in the 80s you'd be complaining about using C instead of hand-writing assembly.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 1 day ago

In the 80s the hand written assembly was more reliable and performant than the C, at least on many of the compilers.

Even in 1990, I tried to launch a serious project in C++ on the IBM-PC, and the best available compiler was too buggy to use. It did fine for little demo apps, but by the time you wrote code for 2 weeks, you started hitting bugs - not in your code but in the compiler output... we had to fall back to C for the project. Even later, around 1994, we had two C compilers for 6811 work and one of them was garbage, I could hand write the assembly better and faster without even trying hard. The other one was pretty good, and by the late 1990s I stopped looking at C/C++ compilers' assembly output because it was consistently better than I would write by hand.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

There were already plenty of reliable compilers at least for the main architectures in use. Replace C with Fortran though if you prefer - complaining about python in mission critical software is a brain-dead take that belongs in the bin of history.

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