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I'm getting the feeling that the average Lemming is a pro-piracy advocate only for as long as it's them financially benefiting from it but the script interestingly flips when a company they don't like does the same thing.
If money wasn't an issue, there's be no reason to pirate anything. It's a financial decision. There's no practical difference between earning fifty bucks and saving that much - in both cases you're left with 50 more bucks to spend.
There's a pretty big difference in scale, and the perpetrator, and whether or not they're benefiting monetarily, and much more.
Stealing is wrong whether it's for personal or business use. Which one is more wrong is besides the point.
Capitalism is on hell of a mind breaker. Most artist will allow IP to be lifted for random people which can't buy their stuff. Does Meta have monetary issues ? Or may be IP law were never to protect artist but to exploit and get more money.
You can keep the insults to yourself.
It's virtually never the case that people genuinely can't afford it or that it's simply not available for purchase anywhere. In the vast majority of cases, people pirate because they don't want to pay. It's a financial decision that leaves them no ground to stand on and criticize others for doing the same.
You would be surprised how many pirate due to lack of product.
Example I pirate anime as it airs. I do this for 3 reasons 1: as it airs lets me be in the discussion. 2: crunchyroll does not respect me as a customer enough for me to pay them to ruin the industry. And 3: a sense of ownership once I buy the BluRay of that season 6 to fucking 12 months after it’s done airing…
There are edge cases where you could argue piracy is morally justifiable. Those aren't what I'm talking about here, though. I'm talking about movies, TV series, games, and software that people pirate not because they couldn't get it elsewhere or couldn't afford it - but simply because they want it for free. That's the vast majority of online piracy.
Arguments you don't like become edge case. Your using the propaganda book 101. Are you thinking we are stupid ?
Insult ? Where ? Trying to victimize yourself ? Are you a maga ?
The rest of the arguments are bullshit too, their are many study showing that piracy is a service issue. Netflix nearly killed piracy when it got out. Then it enshitificated and piracy grow again.
It's not really beside the point, from most reasonable perspectives. A multi-billion-dollar company enriching itself on the backs of starving authors so that it can go on enriching itself on the backs of its users is significantly different from a small number of comparatively destitute individuals stealing some temporary enjoyment for themselves. They are both wrong, but the discussion is utterly useless if you don't talk about the harm involved and who benefits.
I don't really see that difference there. Of course the difference in scale is massive when you compare a multi-billion company doing it to an individual, but what about the harm when everyone does it as individuals versus one big company doing it? I don't think the difference matters anymore at that point.
Doing something morally wrong can't be justified just because only a small number of people are doing it. You wouldn't use that defense for any other immoral behavior either. Me dumping my car's old motor oil into the woods is still bad even if I'm the only one in my country who does it - and if I then go ahead criticizing a drilling company for causing an oil spill, I'd be just as much of a hypocrite.
I fundamentally disagree with both your premise and your example's conclusion. I'm not saying that it can be justified, though; just that it must be contextualized differently. To wit: it would be right for you to criticize them even if you are being hypocritical. You have far fewer resources to dispose of that oil. Your business model is not predicated upon handling oil well. You are not enriching yourself at the cost of others. And yes, there may be others doing it as well, but the combined impact of every individual doing it is almost certainly a tiny fraction of the company doing it.
A person downloading a pirated copy of a book w/o any DRM for their own leisure use on their own device is different from a multi trillion dollar corporation who is using those books to train an LLM to make AI Slop and make money from it w/o even crediting the authors for their work.
The difference is only in scale. Stealing is stealing independent of if it's for personal use or not.
Scale is not the only difference. The companies who do this end up making money with something trained on someone's else's work. If a regular Joe Shmoe pirates a book, they don't earn anything with it.
That's not entirely true either. There's no practical difference between saving 50 bucks and earning 50 bucks. In both cases you're left with more money to spend. Piracy is equally a financial decision even if it's just for personal use. You're saving what ever amount it would've cost to buy that media.
Scale ? How much did Mr random made by selling a shitty copy of the book they pirated ? Meta won at least million using their copy machine yo increase the company stock price.
Nothing is being stolen here. Just an illegal copy. Copy is made for varying reasons here and have different moral aspects.
I'm using theft an an example due to it being the closest equivalent. The point still stands: if it's wrong for an company to do it at scale, then it's wrong when an idividual does it too.
I feel you have it the wrong way around. The "average Lemming" is pissed, because private piracy is prosecuted and punished while Meta's is not.
I, for once, couldn't care less whether Meta pirates the shit out of all the books if I am allowed to do the same ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That at least would be a morally consistent stance and I have no issue with that. I'm talking about the people who criticize them for pirating while doing it themselves too.
Propaganda 101 : excluding cases which didn't fit the pursued narrative
Little guys who get caught get the book thrown at them. But oligarchs get to carve out a legal right to pirate for profit. It's this disparity people are pissed off about here.
I support piracy because I think:
I'm not arguing against piracy here. I partake in it myself too.
I am not saying you are. I am saying there are a lot of valid reasons and it is not as simple as "if I do it I am for it but when big bad company does it it is bad".