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Starfleet Academy Director Jonathan Frakes Says Fan Hate Is ‘Dimensionally More Painful’ Today Than in the Next Generation Years (www.ign.com)

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[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 35 points 3 months ago

This. TNG would trigger conservatives if it were in today.

Remember when Ricker feel in love with the non-binary alien and they had a whole discussion about pronouns? It's been thirty years and these guys still aren't over shit like that.

[-] webkitten@piefed.social 19 points 3 months ago

I mean just the whole Curzon, Kor, and Jadzia scene. Actually all of DS9 would send them into a panic.

Heck, most people misinterpret Roddenberry's original intent, anyway. It always makes me laugh when people talk about Star Trek becoming woke.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago

Seriously. Star Trek is "woke" first and science fiction second. Gene wanted to make an integrated show, he didn't particularly care if it was science fiction or not.

[-] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Yeah, the only reason there wasn't a concerted anti-woke campaign against Trek back then was the technology just didn't exist to enable people with minority opinions like that to easily find each other.

Still, they were there. I remember some BBS Trek guys being "that guy" at a few Trek conventions in the 90s, they were just usually solo or in tiny groups.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Hell, TOS triggered them. The problem is that they’re all anybody hears these days.

Imagine if TNG season 1 got bad reviews but because of the tone of the reviews they didn’t bother changing anything. It wouldn’t have gotten better.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

TNG actually DID get reactions like that, but they were on little newsgroup boards and shit where only serious nerds saw it. The whole origin of "i remember when startrek wasn't for hippies/feminists/gays/liberals/etc." sentiment originates with TNG criticism.

It was just as stupid then as it is now, but now we all apparently have to hear it.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I know, I’ve been to alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die. But imagine if those nerds were used as an excuse not to change course. What if they said “Frakes, you can’t grow your beard or those nerds win.”

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago

Agreed. I actually don't even think these opinions are more common than they used to be, just that they are amplified to serve the agendas of jerks who agree with them and have the resources and influence to signal boost them into actual pressure on the media.