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Ok, I’m gonna keep my focus and ire on the fascists. I’ll leave you to spend time and energy backseat driving Sophie’s choice.
But that's the point. If you don't vote in an effective way against the fascists when you can, your focus is irrelevant.
That’s your point, my point is the democrats and republicans are both fascists and it doesn’t matter that much which you choose. Voting for the “less bad” fascist to kill the older kid isn’t working “effectively” against the fascists.
They are not the same. I totally understand that the Dems are evil. But it's so silly to say they're as bad as the repubs under trump, or any of the current maga crowd. So voting for the lesser evil gets you lesser evil. Otherwise you get more evil. And that's worse. I don't see how it can be any simpler. Not voting won't change the dems - they just move further right to try to get that vote since the left base evaporated. Work in the primaries to get more progressive candidates on the ballot. Start grass roots actions. Whatever. But not voting for the lesser evil while you do that is crazy. Heck, we may not even get another free election in the U.S. and this could have all been avoided if there were just a few more left leaning voters who got up off their asses and voted logically.
No, they’re not as bad, by about the same amount as Ralph is not as bad as Dirk. It doesn’t matter which you choose, they’re gonna kill a kid. It doesn’t matter whether you vote for democrats or not, tens of thousands of Palestinians will be slaughtered using our tax dollars.
I don’t know how else to put it. All the bad things that are worse under republicans are dwarfed by Palestine. Ice has killed…what, a handful of protestors and a few dozen kidnappees? It’s awful of course, but a rounding error on Palestine.
Maybe that extra rounding error of evil could have been avoided if leftists had been willing to acquiesce to the rest of it…maybe. But it definitely would have been avoided if the democrats had changed, and so would so much else.
You seem to be able to accept unquestioningly that the democrats won’t stop arming a genocide (I don’t, they need to change or else the US is fucked, even if they win. Best we can hope for then is a rapid collapse). I think you should also accept that lots of people will not vote to arm a genocide.
I think the Dems would have pushed back against Israel. Not anywhere near as much as we may want, but way more than trump/republicans. We can't know now what they would have done, but it wouldn't have been as bad as Trump's openly encouraging genocide. And trump will do his best to stop fair elections in the U.S. - he will likely kill democracy. That means no improvement can come even if we manage to get enough progressives in a position to get seats. The downfall of the U.S. will take decades even under trump and his ilk before the pitchforks remove them. In that time, he will allow the complete destruction of Gaza and other places in the ME. That's millions of people dead and impoverished because people like you couldn't see the difference. Wake up!
Why do you think the Democrats would have pushed back? I don’t believe there’s any factual basis for that. I don’t believe they’ve even whispered a word about slowing military aid. Biden did way more to openly encourage genocide than trump has so…I don’t really understand what you mean.
Amen man, I think the democrats should do everything they can to fight like hell and beat the fascists. Including not arming a genocide (which of course, they should do for more reasons than just winning the US elections).
I absolutely cannot comprehend how them not doing that is acceptable to you, but me not voting for them is not acceptable to you lol…like they’re clearly the moral agent here. All I can do is whine about it, lodge my non-vote and get back to my life. This is their fuckin job. They have unimaginable resources to figure this out, but sure I guess fuck me for not taking my one in two hundred million part in the decision of which party of genocidal maniacs is in charge; sweet or bitter.
Look at something like this it's talking about how Biden didn't do enough. His call to Netanyahu which cause Isreal to open the borders to humanitarian aide wasn't done early enough. Now compare that to this. Of course one can cherry pick quotes. You can find Biden saying Israel has a right to defend itself, which is true but doesn't give them the right to kill Palestine civilians wantonly. You can find trump saying all sorts of random shit; but he goes way further against the people of Gaza and people in shithole countries (his words). Yes Biden financed Isreal, and this was framed as defense. The tides were turning by the end of '24. It was only once Biden was lame duck that Isreal went full postal. And that's arguably because Biden was holding them in check.
Again, I don’t care as much about what’s said as I do about who funds it. Maybe you’re right, and there actually is a significant difference in how may people get killed. But obviously I don’t think so, at least enough to not vote for Kamala and to have a days long conversation defending that choice.
You don’t hold someone in check by giving them $18 billion worth of guns.
It matters to me because I care about those millions of people who will die because people like you don't seem to understand. You seem like a person with the ability to rationalize facts. But you helped create a worse outcome for what you say you care about. And there are more elections coming up. If they're even slightly free and fair, we need to vote out the republicans with a massive wave to overcome their cheating. It could be the last chance for generations. It won't just be the people of Gaza, or Iran - but Trump and his maga people will allow China to attack Taiwan, Russia to defeat Ukraine and beyond. These will be millions of lives lost because of insane trump policy. And life in the U.S. for most people will become much worse with the terrible and evil management by trump and his followers. These are not round off error issues, they really matter. I understand you are very frustrated with the tragedy in Gaza - but burying your head in the sand and just not voting effectively only makes the situation worse. It's as bad as people not caring politically about what's going on in the Gaza because it doesn't effect them personally. We have to be smart and not let our emotions override logic.
Boy, the democrats really should get serious then.