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[-] clearleaf@lemmy.ca 242 points 1 year ago

For anyone who thinks they're "stuck" with chrome, Firefox has gotten it's shit together massively in the last few years.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

Which is why Google's next step is to effectively require chromium browsers for any websites wanting access to Google services and products.

[-] rifugee@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds like a good reason to stop using Google services and products. Some examples (note, I haven't used some of these yet):

Search - DuckDuckGo

Email - ProtonMail

Drive - Dropbox

Sheets/Docs - Zoho

Some of these examples may not the best for everyone, but my point is that we do not have to let Google continue to push us around.

[-] grue@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, it sounds like a good reason for anti-trust regulators to make an injunction to stop Google from doing it.

It's time for this fantasy bullshit notion that boycotts are worth a damn to end. In reality, it's nothing but pro-corporate propaganda designed to make people think they're "fighting the man" or whatever when they're actually completely ineffective.

Now, don't get me wrong: by all means, please feel free to quit using Google's shit! That's 100% a good thing and I fully encourage it! Just don't delude yourself into thinking it represents even the slightest shred of a solution to the systemic problem Google's anticompetitive strategies represent.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Sorry, our hyper partisan system has all but crippled regulation.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Regulars are too busy trying to get rid of encryption. A double edged sword in the situation with Google's drm

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's not you and me. It's the websites. They're not going to give up on having anyone with Chrome or using Google services from being able to access their sites. We'd end up with 2 Internets - one with Google and one without. And we all know that the one with Google will win.

[-] sirfacefone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

If you like ChatGPT/care less about privacy, Bing is a great alternative.

[-] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

or just use the open source open assistant io

[-] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Feels bad but I can't condone this behaviour anymore and I feel ashamed that I haven't seen the greed Google is capable of doing.

In the coming months I will do my best to migrate away from the Google system, even if I end up paying a tad more, maybe just in time to set up a home server for photos.

[-] beeb@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

The Proton offering is a great alternative imo

[-] lamia@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Well, if you can live with the fact that you need to either use the webmailer, their mobile apps or the bridge on desktop to use standard mail/calendar/anything software. I tried for a few years to migrate to PM (with a paid plan) but failed :(

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Mozzilla be suing

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[-] panda_paddle@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

I dont understand when people think Firefox didn't have their shit together. Been using it since 2006 and never had an issue. Ya'll must be doing some serious browsing.

[-] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

Been using since release. I never felt like I was making some kind of compromise by using it. Firefox always had their shit together from my experience.

Now, it's on par with Chrome or better than (tradeoffs and personal preference), even for developing web apps. Firefox dev tools pull ahead of Chrome's, then Chrome catches up and does something new and useful, then Firefox catches up, and so forth.

Firefox is good. It's not like "I'm leaving Photoshop for the GIMP" kind of thing-- It's like "I'm leaving Honda for Toyota."

[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

When chrome was released, Firefox felt bloated visually and slow. I switched to chrome with the initial release, then tried to come back to Firefox some years later. Still felt like it was slow.

Im back trying it again. The desktop browser seems to work alright, but I'm growing weary of the Android app.

[-] sock@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

i remember it looking pretty sketchy and bad back in the day while chrome looked a lot nicer and user friendly

im a firefox user now i think chrome looks ugly compared to firefox nowadays

[-] Bulletdust@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Been using FF since forever, never felt my experience was in any way slow compared to Chrome.

[-] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It was really slow before Quantum happened and it's smooth sailing ever since imo.

[-] drbi@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Now you can use desktop extensions on firefox mobile. They stepped up big time.

[-] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Did they lift the "only curated extensions" bullshit yet? I'm on Kiwi just to be able to run my own (unpacked) extensions that FF doesn't let me do so.

[-] reddthat@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Not yet but it's coming very soon!

It's already in nightly, and usually after nightly (if everything is fine/works well/etc) then it usually take 3-6months before it's in mainline.

(iirc)

[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

There is an override you can use on Firefox Nightly to run any extension you want

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Firefox has never not had it's shit together. It's worked fine. I never understood people having issues with it, unless they were running like 50 extensions and a bunch of grease monkey scripts along with a crusty old profile with a massive cache of old data.

Meanwhile everyone is complaining about Chrome eating up all their RAM

[-] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Funnily enough Chromium actually consumes less RAM and is safer due to better sandboxing.

But neither of these concern the average user. However, the main difference between the browsers user may notice is how pages that are still loading behave. Firefox has the correct behavior. Aka waiting for vast majority of the elements to finish loading versus Chromium just going "if it's rendered it's intractable." This unfortunately means that Firefox feels slower even though it's actually faster.

Also, on behalf of the dark mode enjoyers, flashing white for a moment while launching, loading web pages or updating contents of a webpage is incredibly annoying. None of the Chromium browsers flash white on dark mode.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

I don't think FF supports PWAs yet. I need to use Chromium to turn some sites like Discord into PWAs, as the desktop Linux version doesn't screen share on Wayland. I also like having YTM as an app.

[-] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

I believe that there is an extension for Firefox pwa support, but the Android version definitely supports pwas natively.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, FF Android does, the extension for the desktop was very janky last time I used it. Mozilla just needs to support it natively IMO.

[-] shrugal@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Works pretty well for me. They patched a lot of issues over the last year, so maybe give it another try.

[-] NamesArrHard@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Any idea if Firefox has a good translation extension? Like Chrome has Google translate that actively translates the sites you enter into English.

I live in a country that I don't speak the language of, so I often need to use websites and translate them to English, which is why I've been stuck with Chrome.

[-] teuniac_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

There are 36 pages of translation extensions. The official one works without the cloud, which is pretty unique.

Personally I like the Immersive Translate extension. You can select your preferred translation engine (cloud based, but it supports many) and it shows you both the translated text and original text by alternating the paragraphs.

[-] KryckA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Sadly the only thing it's lacking. Saw a couple of years ago they were looking at different technologies to implement it client side for privacy reasons.

Before post edit:
While looking for the source i found this:
Firefox Tests Privacy-Friendly Web Page Translations

It's coming bby!

[-] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net 2 points 1 year ago

@NamesArrHard @clearleaf, better than a extension is to use this one for Desktop, so you can use it independent of the browser.
It's FOSS, multiengine for 125 languages, customizable shortcuts, Windows and Linux

https://crow-translate.github.io

[-] CodeSalat@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

How can I disable autoplay after user interaction on mobile? On desktop this works via about:config but there's no such thing for mobile.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Does Firefox support multiple windows on iPad OS yet? That was the reason I stayed with Chrome for so long, and also is why I've more recently switched to Edge as the only other cross-platform browser I could find that had that.

[-] sina@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Firefox on ios is barely more than just a skin to Safari.

[-] Micromot@lemmycook.de 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah it doesn't support any addons or simple features

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[-] SIGSEGV@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not sure, but Firefox on iOS isn't true Firefox. To my knowledge, Apple doesn't allow browsers to use anything but their Safari engine. As another user put it, "Firefox on iOS is barely more than a skin for Safari."

I can speak to Firefox on desktop and Android, however: they're fantastic!

tl;dr: If FF sucks on iOS, it's Apple's fault.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

If FF sucks on iOS, it's Apple's fault.

Nope, not in this case. iPad OS has supported multiple windows of the same app for years now (since 2018 or 2019), and Safari naturally supported it out of the gate. Google supported it in Chrome very quickly, and Microsoft got around to it with Edge last year.

It turns out that while the rendering part of all browsers on iOS is Safari, the skin and UI elements (the "chrome" that Google's browser was named after) are all custom to each app. And Firefox has been very poor at upgrading theirs.

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[-] spikespaz@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

I mean this with no personal enmity: piss off with your iPad. (Don't expect power user features to actually be good)

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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, Apple doesn't allow any other browser engines on iOS other than their own, so every browser available on it is just safari.

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[-] rndll@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Firefox is the only browser on Android which still doesn't have tabs. Wrangling multiple tabs on a tablet or foldable is just a pain on Firefox. Chrome on standard screen sizes even has tab groups. Until then, Firefox is a no go for me.

[-] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Uhh what? I've been using Firefox on Android for a looong time and there are tabs...

[-] rndll@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'm speaking of an exposed tabs bar. Like all modern browsers have... except Firefox for Android. https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/tablet-amp-mobile-ui-tab-bar-for-android/idi-p/333

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