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[-] nsrxn@mstdn.social 0 points 2 days ago

> you are bad if you don’t vote for the better candidate because it is helping the worse candidate win and implement their bad policies.

nonvotes don't help any candidate win. the thing that helps them win is people voting for them. blame the people who are responsible.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

This is where simple logic and math collide with some weird emotional notion. Non-votes don't stop the worse candidate - that helps them win. Sort of like the trolly problem. You are arguing that the act of not pulling the lever vs pulling the lever is relevant. Whether it's an action or a non-action that implements your decision is irrelevant.

[-] nsrxn@mstdn.social 0 points 1 day ago

the trolley problem only reveals your own ethics. it doesn't have a singular answer or lesson. deontologists don't touch the lever, and they don't vote for bad candidates, even if their are worse candidates.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Except in this case the trolly will kill a bunch of people if you pull the lever, or if you don't, it will kill those people plus a whole lot more. The logic of which people are killed is removed and so if you don't pull the lever you are responsible entirely for the deaths of the extra people.

[-] nsrxn@mstdn.social 0 points 1 day ago

I'm only responsible for what I do. I didn't create the situation in which the people were tied to the tracks of the trolley was set in motion. if I pull the lever I will kill people. I will choose not to kill people.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

And that stupidity is why America has trump, and lots more people will die in the Middle East. Just because you are too ignorant to understand, doesn't mean you aren't responsible for it.

[-] nsrxn@mstdn.social 0 points 23 hours ago

calling me ignorant and stupid doesn't change the morality of voting for evil people.

I think a case can be made that the long slope of lesser evilism is what made trump possible.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

No, your attitude specifically brought trump to power. That's on you if you didn't do what you could to stop it.

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