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[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 205 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Proton was legally ordered by the Swiss justice department to hand over the (severely limited) information about a law breaking organization's account. They had paid for Proton using a credit card instead of the anonymous payment methods Proton offers, and that is what Proton was forced to hand over. It was the organization's bad OpSec, not Proton willingly deanonymizing users.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 5 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, I am no fan of proton and they have lied before (no log VPN logs magically finding logs for authorities and then later removing the no-log claim).

But this is literally just proton being legally compelled to hand over data the user willingly gave (not being harvested or de-encrypted). A nothing story.

[-] LytiaNP@lemmy.today 60 points 2 days ago

Hopefully people like you will be able to nip this in the bud before yet another joke of a controversy starts...

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You must be new here...

On the one hand, I really like how often Proton's shortcomings are highlighted. This SHOULD be a wake up call that you should never rely on a company to protect you and should instead focus on what you can do to ptorect yourself. And Proton... actually are pretty good in that regard. Connect from a burner/live image computer over public wifi using tor (or something similar) and their free accounts are STILL the gold standard for journalism and whistleblowers.

But the problem is that people are stupid and lazy (and many outlets actively benefit from "Eww, proton is bad. If only they had paid for NordVPN to really protect them from the FBI! ~Note, NordVPN provides no guarantees of protection~ ". So we just get stupidity.

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago

OP's title certainly doesn't help.

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Why do you think Proton stores the association between accounts and payment identity?

Many privacy-oriented companies actually accept credit card payments and simply don't store that information.

answer:proton is snake oil

[-] detren@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago
[-] RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 14 hours ago

Another comment linked to a reddit post where Proton explained what happened.

Yeah, the credit card was on file for recurring payments.

[-] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Really, this headline should be "Organization so poorly organized that they messed up having relatively secure email."

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 18 points 2 days ago

Not at all. Proton doesn't require any personal info at all. But if you pay with a credit card... That has your personal info tied to it. It's their fuck up paying with a credit card. Proton accepts other payment methods that aren't tied to your identity.

Proton is required by law to provide information they have when the courts say so.

[-] toynbee@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago

So I'm not a criminal organization as far as I know, but if I did pay with a credit card originally can that be rectified without deleting and starting over?

[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago

Proton uses Chargebee for payments, which has its own data retention policy of essentially "as long as we want to", but Proton does themselves keep limited data like the billing name, and last 4 digits.

Proton's privacy policy says nothing about a pre-set time delay after which they'd delete that data. They only claim that they "reserve our right" to remove your payment information if they think it's no longer valid. So theoretically, that might mean if your card's expiry date has passed, but that's not a confirmation.

The best way to reliably make sure Proton wouldn't have any info on you is to not have ever tied any real information about yourself or your payment info to that account.

[-] toynbee@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you for the information.

[-] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, exactly. They don't make it hard to not tie personal data to them if you want, you just have to actually DO the thing to take advantage of it. These people seemed to think it was magic, which seems to be how a lot of people think Proton or Tuta works.

[-] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

B..But..Swiss evil?

[-] aldrik@oc.todon.fr 8 points 2 days ago

@Charger8232 @jrcruciani The bug is between keyboard and chair. It is always a problem to use crédit card.

[-] Dadifer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I like services like PIA that let you pay in gift cards.

[-] LytiaNP@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago

Owned by Kape technologies, and uses Google analytics. Big nope. Any VPN service worth its money support anon payments (including gift cards) anyways.

[-] Dadifer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago
[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Is there a link you could share?

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Gift cards don't work for me. Guess I need one ordered from outside the US.

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