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[-] cabbage@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago

I guess what is considered easy is very subjective. I seriously think Marx' Manifesto of the Communist Party is not a bad place to start. It's everything Capital is not: short, easy to read, somewhat superficial.

I'd say the historical analysis is at the core of marxism as much as the economic one, and it's summarized perfectly right from the start:

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

Make sure to take a second to reflect on this and the Soviet Union and the failure of Marxist-Leninism. It was not the end of history, but another common ruin. Which brings me to the biggest problem of studying socialist theory: The line between theory and propaganda is often blurred. The Manifesto of the Communist Party itself, thought-provoking as it is, is a pamphlet made for wide circulation, and more propaganda than academic work. Marx' understanding of history revolves around how proletarian revolts such as the Soviet Union go wrong and end up reproducing existing power structures. Yet many of today's self-proclaimed Marxists are somehow blind to this and end up tricking themselves with all sorts of mind games.

That's why I think it's important to start with Marx himself. Understand his view of history and his criticism of the economy, and reflect on what it means for what you see in history since it was written. It still holds, though the theory itself has become weaponized in the very historical and economical dynamics he is describing. If you understand this independently you're less likely to become a sucker who falls for propaganda.

And of course, Marx wasn't a god, and he didn't get it all right. I personally think the main problem is his understanding of history as having an "end" (a teleological account) - Marx believed every class revolt would lead us slightly closer to a classless society, and that eventually we would get there. This builds on Hegel, who had a similar understanding of history rooted in religion rather than communism. I think this is plain wrong - things very well might just get worse, and there is no end of history. But that's me.

Of course one shouldn't focus only on Marx, but I feel like he's important enough that it's worth taking him seriously. And with all the stupid takes people have on his work, I think it's a good idea to go straight to the source.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 day ago

I also feel like the problem with starting with Marx and getting into socialism as a government type is that Marx was an economist writing about economic forces while a lot of his work has been coopted into political theory.

Which makes discussions on government structure hard with a lot of leftists because once you remove discussing the economics of a society, having a discussion on political freedoms only becomes very problematic.

For instance, I saw some English speaking communists discussing a Chinese analysis of their government, which the analysis states that the Chinese government isn't a democracy. It is true, China would describe itself as a technocracy, with trained political leaders in charge who are shielded from disruptive democratic whims. However, you could see the issue of them accepting that political power should be held only by elites.

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

I'm a bit sceptical of people who are too into "socialism as a government type" - they tend to develop fundamentalist ideas about what the perfect society should look like, and which means are justified in order to get there. Usually all means will be. To me socialism is at its best as a critique, allowing us to understand what's going on in the world and how to fight it piece by piece instead of trying to construct some ideal society based on a feeble understanding of reality.

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