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Screenshot of this question was making the rounds last week. But this article covers testing against all the well-known models out there.

Also includes outtakes on the 'reasoning' models.

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[-] realitista@lemmus.org 9 points 2 days ago

You're getting downvoted but it's true. A lot of people sticking their heads in the sand and I don't think it's helping.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah, "AI is getting pretty good" is a very unpopular opinion in these parts. Popularity doesn't change the results though.

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

Its unpopular because its wrong.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 10 points 2 days ago

It's overhyped in many areas, but it is undeniably improving. The real question is: will it "snowball" by improving itself in a positive feedback loop? If it does, how much snow covered slope is in front of it for it to roll down?

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago

I think its far more likely to degrade itself in a feedback loop.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It's already happening. GPT 5.2 is noticeably worse than previous versions.

It's called model collapse.

[-] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 5 points 2 days ago

To clarify : model collapse is a hypothetical phenomenon that has only been observed in toy models under extreme circumstances. This is not related in any way to what is happening at OpenAI.

OpenAI made a bunch of choices in their product design which basically boil down to "what if we used a cheaper, dumber model to reply to you once in a while".

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I mean, we're watching it happen. I don't think it's hypothetical anymore.

[-] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 1 points 23 hours ago

I'm sorry but no, models are definitely not collapsing. They still have a million issues and are subject to a variety of local optima, but they are not collapsing in any way. It is not known whether this can even happen in large models, and if it can it would require months of active effort to generate the toxic data and fine-tune models on that data. Nobody is gonna spend that kind of money to shoot themselves in the foot.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Then why are newer versions of the major models performing so poorly? For instance, GPT 5.2 is definitely not an improvement over 4.5. What's the root cause?

[-] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 1 points 1 hour ago

The switch you mention (from 4th gen to 5th gen GPT) is when they introduced the model router, which created a lot of friction. Basically this will try to answer your question with as cheap a model as possible, so most of the time you won't be using flagship 5.2 but a 5.2-mini or 5.2-tiny which are seriously dumber. This is done to save money of course, and the only way to guarantee pure 5.2 usage is to go through the API where you pay for every token.

There's also a ton of affect and personal bias. Humans are notoriously bad at evaluating others intelligence, and this is especially true of chatbots which try to mimic specific personalities that may or may not mesh well with your own. For example, OpenAI's signature "salesman & bootlicker" personality is grating to me and i consistently think it's stupider than it is. I've even done a bit of double blind evaluation on various cognitive tasks to confirm my impression but the data really didn't agree with me. It's smart, roughly as smart as other models of its generation, but it's just fucking insufferable. It's like i see Sam Altman's shit eating grin each time i read a word from ChatGPT, that's why i stopped using it. That's a property of me, the human, not GPT, the machine.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

The funny thing is, in order to get it to the dumber model, they have to run people's queries through a model that selects the appropriate model first. This is resulted in new headaches for AI fans

[-] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah that's also something that you have to train for, i'm not super aware of the technicals but model routing is definitely important to the AI companies. I suspect that's part of why they can pretend that "inference is profitable" as they are already trying to squeeze it down as much as possible.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

I wonder if the routing is actually going to decrease the overall costs or increase them... Routing looks like it introduces new, unavoidable factors that would cause the costs to increase.

[-] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah i remember that Ed article ! I don't think the technical aspects are relevant to the newer generation of models, but yeah of course any attempt to compress inference costs can have side effects : either response quality will degrade for using dumber models, or you'll have re-inference costs when the dumb model shits its pants. In fact the re-inference can become super costly as dumber models tend to get lost in reasoning loops more easily.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

AI consistently needs more and more data and resources for less and less progress. Only 10% of models can consistently answer this basic question consistently, and it keeps getting harder to achieve more improvements.

[-] MirrorGiraffe@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

As someone who's been using it in my work for the last 2 years, it's my personal observation that while the models aren't improving that much anymore, the tooling is getting much much better. 

Before I used gpt for certain easy in concept, tedious to write functions. Today I hardly write any code at all. I review it all and have to make sure it's consistent and stable but holy has my output speed improved. 

The larger a project is the worse it gets and I often have to wrap up things myself as it shines when there's less business logic and more scaffolding and predictable things.

I guess I'll have to attribute a bunch of the efficiency increase to the fact that I'm more experienced in using these tools. What to use it for and when to give up on it. 

For the record I've been a software engineer for 15 years 

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

AI is getting pretty good

42 out of 53 models said to walk to the carwash.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

And yet the best models outdid humans at this "car wash test." Humans got it right only 71.5% of the time.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

That 71.5% is still a higher success rate than 48 out of 53 models tested. Only the five 10/10 models and the two 8/10 models outperform the average human. Everything below GPT-5 performs worse than 10,000 people given two buttons and no time to think.

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