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What's with the hate Wesley gets? I didn't find his character to be detestable. At least not as much as the ferengi ds9 kid.
I don't hate Wesley, I just love to laugh at how bad Picard and Wesley's relationship is in season one.
In early episodes of any show, there's stuff that doesn't turn out to work for the characters.
But Picard/Wesley is such a bold dynamic that doesn't work for either character, never gets resolved, and goes nowhere.
Then later, it gets retroactivelymuch weirder, because the show "Picard" 100% confirms that Picard was sleeping with Wesley's mother, at some point, and by implication, even during their uncomfortable season 1.
So Picard, already an absolute picture of calm reasoned negotiation - just sometimes randomly goes off on one young cadet whose mother he happens to be banging.
It's weird. It doesn't make any sense in the broader later canon, and it makes me laugh every time I think about it.
The internet hating on Wil Wheaton / Wesley Crusher is such an old bit that it has its own momentum and is no longer rooted in anything. Picard yelling “shut up Wesley” is such a meme that people shout this at Mr. Wheaton in public. He’s written about it a lot.
But it is also true that his character was an odd fit: very on-again / off-again as a member of the cast, poorly costumed, and deliberately written as a kind of whiny genius-boy who gets in trouble but always saves the day. Some people found this one of the less enjoyable parts of the show.
...i liked wesley but alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die was still funny...
Both Wesley and Nog started out with rough writing. Once their characters build out, they improve. Nog moreso, being part of a serialized show.
Having watched TNG without being influenced by the community. I agree that his character starts pretty obnoxious, but I always got the sense that the point of his character was that his inclusion on the ship as a kid raised by this future world was just as "alien" as Data or Worf. Then again, it was also obvious that he occasionally got completely brain bonked for some episodes in order to make him the naive child of the group.
I see it this way too now. "What does this culture do with this situation?" - and all jokes aside, pretty good chance some of the answers to that snuck in subliminally, that influences how I parent. Haven't watched too much in 20+ years, but it's there.
But yeah nonetheless, I do understand the annoyance folks have with the lad.
Both Wesley and Nog(?) were written as a 'look kids, a cool kid to relate to' character. Which was very forced and off putting.
And many young people watching the show resented those characters for being the kid who got to live Star Trek, which was of course their own fantasy.
That's an excellent question. I wonder if it has something to do with your age when you first saw the series, or maybe the problem that adult writers tend to not write kids very well. I bet at least part of it is that Picard himself treats Wesley pretty poorly in several episodes. Oh, and the fact that he solves the problem of the week ludicrously easily a couple of times, in a Gary Stu sort of way.
They wrote him to be cheap drama to give Stewart something to work with instead of just being a toned down, professional Shatner. We were all going to take the Captains side, seeing him as annoying as the Captain did. From the sounds of Wheaton's book, he really wasn't treated all that well by the show runners for being as young as he was. It's kind of shitty to write a young kid in to be the conflict in a well respected characters arc.
I honestly wouldn't have watched Star Trek TNG if I hadn't randomly scrolled through the channels and seen a boy my age on a spaceship.
So regardless of how well written or acted the character is, I'm always really grateful! (But I recognize that's probably a pretty niche situation compared to what other Trekkies feel)
Nog makes Wesley look like fucking'... Shaft!