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[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 36 points 6 hours ago

Good sentiment, but DO NOT SUPPORT "Americans for Tax Fairness", because they're actually a horrendous organization.

They want to abolish the IRS and abolish all federal income and capital gains taxes, (and repeal the amendment to the constitution that makes it possible in the first place) and instead have a tax exclusive rate of 30% sales tax to replace it.

As you should know, sales taxes are regressive taxes, because the poorest people spend the largest percent of their income, while billionaires spend less, and hoard more. Essentially, the richest people get the lowest tax rate, because they don't have to spend all of their income to survive, unlike someone living on the streets who'll have to spend every last penny they have just to get food, thus getting taxed on their entire income while billionaires only get taxed on part of theirs.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago

I think I could get behind that if essentials aren't taxable.

Where I live, groceries aren't taxed. Going beyond that, make things like soap and lightbulbs untaxable, and it seems like a decent system. Maybe even prepared meals that cost under 1 hour of minimum wage work, an item of clothing that costs under 1 day of minimum wage work...

I dunno, if there were exclusions, would it really be that bad?

[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 10 points 5 hours ago

It would be better than a blanket tax for sure, but still produces bad incentives.

That kind of system still encourages wealth hoarding, because it costs more to spend money than it does to save/invest it. We already know billionaires aren't just hoarding wealth to spend it all, because most of them only spend a fraction of it. They hoard it because there is a psychological mechanism that makes them feel like they just need a bigger number no matter what.

There's a limit to how much one person can spend on things they'll actually want, but there's no limit on just how high the number can go if they keep funneling more and more money into their bank and brokerage accounts, which means you effectively cap out the tax rate on billionaires.

In a system like that, if a regular person has $1,000 per month in money to spend, and spends $500 on goods that are still taxed, that's 50% of their income getting taxed. A billionaire might have a billion dollars, and only spend a few thousandths of that every year for a way better personal experience than that person spending $500. You might then only have about 0.1% of that billionaire's income getting taxed, while the rest rots in a bank account, never to be spent or become economically valuable to anyone.

The best tax system is one based on income, or better yet, including actual held wealth, because hoarding more produces less and less returns as time goes on, to the point that spending that money is more beneficial to that person than hoarding it and getting to keep, say, 1% or less of those earnings after taxes. (and even if they do keep hoarding, 99% of that money's going back to other people and programs anyways)

Spending that money returns it to the economy, which in turn provides more jobs, distributes that wealth to lower classes more than it would otherwise be if it just sat in a bank account, and is generally economically beneficial.

Essentially, an income + wealth tax is "hoard money too much and we will use it to benefit everyone", whereas a sales tax, even one limited just to nonessentials, is "if you don't choose to hoard your money and decide to spend it, then you gotta give a little back" Billionaires shouldn't get to decide if they're taxed or not, so why give them the ability to do so by tying it to if they choose to consume a given amount of nonessential goods?

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 5 hours ago

Isn't there already a luxury tax, which would be the only fair tax. Aside from a top bracket tax of say, 90%, like it used to be. Plus there is the problem of income taxes not touching much of the actual "worth" of a billionaire.

[-] AfterOnions@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

LVT is the best tax. There should be a minimum tax on unrealized capital gains.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 4 hours ago

Land value tax? How would that fix any of this shit? That wouldn't even make a dent in the wealth disparities we're seeing in the US

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