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[-] bioluminescence 38 points 3 months ago

What does this mean for GrapheneOS and similar degoogled android versions?

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 55 points 3 months ago

Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked.

[-] lbfgs@programming.dev 34 points 3 months ago

EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 3 months ago

What are you basing this on? If you say "Chat Control" I will just ignore you.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 months ago

The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 14 points 3 months ago

Europe has explicitly no problem with this. They showed they have the power to censor Russian media but refuse to do this with European far-right, they just want the local fascists to win.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago
[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Even the premise is too generous:

Why would the leaders of the EU—a project ostensibly built on peace and sovereignty—

How on Earth is the literal cradle of Fascism and colonialism built on peace and sovereignty? The EU is built on neoliberalism and anticommunism, it cannot be built on peace or sovereignty.

[-] mjr@infosec.pub 7 points 3 months ago

Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago

Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, sadly we're going down the same road.

[-] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 3 months ago

Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago,

Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Partially funded by Americans and to a lesser degree Russians, primarily funded by Europeans

Edit: to clarify, I don't believe Russia has less of an intent on controlling European politics than the USA does, it's just that the USA has a lot more power, money and relations with Europe, so it naturally has a lot more ways to influence our policy. As an example, Europe will (righfully) be very angry at Russia when it starts a war with Ukraine, but will join the USA in a war in Iraq.

[-] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 5 points 3 months ago

Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

It is surely called competition law?

[-] maximumbird@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I'm dumb But using grapheneos How would them locking down the code affect graphene?

[-] zhkent@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago

Some apps require google play, like android auto and maps.
I'm using grapheneos with open street maps, so I don't think there would be any problem with that. There is a work around to load some apps that require google play with out a google account. I'm guessing that is what would be affected.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 3 months ago

Graphen is based on AOSP - Android Open Source Project. As the name implies, that's the part of Android that's Open Source. Google publishes this code, Graphene OS people modify it and release. All bugfixes, security fixes and new features go there. Google first stopped accepting contributions from other devs and now they are limiting how often will they release AOSP and how often will they publish security fixes. This makes development of Graphene OS more difficult and it looks like Google's ultimate goal is to make Android closed source. Graphene OS doesn't have the resources to develop Android by themselves so this would probably kill the project.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install.

Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify themselves, or develop only for custom ROMs, or stop developing altogether. And I don't think many will choose the 2nd option. Also, 1st option may not be available if google does not like your app.

[-] i078@europe.pub 17 points 3 months ago

The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 13 points 3 months ago

It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market.

*Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all?

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Please see the edit with clarification, since I guess I wrote it poorly and multiple commenters did not get my point.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms.

There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these.

[-] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago
[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code?

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

It means they fork and they're going to need funding to keep up with security work at least.

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