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[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 118 points 1 week ago

Post headline deserves a downvote. Quote from article:

Lanier asked Mosseri what he thought of K.G.M's longest single day of use of Instagram being 16 hours.

"That sounds like problematic use," the Instagram boss answered. He did not call it an addiction.

He also didn’t say it was a tomato. Like wtf do you want, I can’t tell if he was asked specifically if 16 hours a day was an addiction. The prior question was about whether he had known she had a 16hr day, and he had not. (He should have; poor trial prep.)

This is sensationalist BS and I dearly want this platform to be better than that.

Just so we’re clear, Meta can die in a fire and the world would be better off, I’m not defending them in the slightest.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 95 points 1 week ago

The title is accurate.

He was asked if it was an addiction, and he repeatedly used technicalities and weaseley language to refuse to admit it.

"It's important to differentiate between clinical addiction and problematic use," [Instagram head Adam Mosseri] added.

"I'm sure I've said that I've been addicted to a Netflix show when I binged it really late one night, but I don't think it's the same thing as clinical addiction."

Yet, Mosseri repeatedly said he was not an expert in addiction in response to Lanier's questioning.

[-] maturelemontree@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

That still sounds misleading. He was not speaking for 16 hours of use which is what the headline suggests. As other has stated, I hope those companies crumble but I think honesty is important, not sensationalization.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I fear for the future of reading comprehension. Before the portion Analog quotes, the article gives people multiple paragraphs of context to understand addiction as what is being talked about. I don't expect the word to be wedged into every sentence about the same topic. Meta's Adam Mosseri was clearly doing everything in his playbook to not use the word "addiction" in a sentence.

And Adam Mosseri knew better. We know he's been confronted with evidence of addiction but doesn't want to listen.

But I do find it much more concerning that Analog appointed himself judge of bad articles, then either accidentally or intentionally omitted the preceding paragraphs that I had to quote for him.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

I fear for the future of reading comprehension

I fear for it currently if you think it's okay to make up things people said and put it in a headline.

[-] lmmarsano@group.lt 4 points 1 week ago

he repeatedly used technicalities and weaseley language to refuse to admit it

see

Yet, Mosseri repeatedly said he was not an expert in addiction in response to Lanier’s questioning.

Even if a nonexpert claims something is clinical addiction, they're a nonexpert & their word is meaningless. For a credible statement, they'll need to admit relevant evidence instead of ask a nonexpert.

Imagine being asked for a medical diagnosis when you're not a qualified physician. It's perfectly fair to point out you're not an expert on the matter & point out your awareness of distinctions between imprecise conventional language & precise, scientific definitions.

No one is obligated to volunteer dubious claims to antagonize themselves on the stand just because you want them to.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

Pam Bondi, is that you?

[-] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

He's right. Clinical addiction has nothing to do with how much you do something, it has to do with how much it causes problems in your life. I know everyone on Lemmy is tripping over their own hard ons to kill corporations, but there are people using lemmy 16 hours a day and if laws are passed to fight Internet addiction, they will not specifically target corporations. We all go down together. Just ask the creator of Urban Dead.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I guess we could chalk it up to bad journalism because the example was purely anecdotal. It‘s frustrating for sure.

[-] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

So someone doing Heroin everday is not addicted if it doesn't cause any problems in life? Clinical Addiction absolutely does have to do with how much you do something (and other factors of course).

[-] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That's a physical addiction. Drug addiction is a problem physicians handle. Psychologists handle addiction to video games, gambling, sex, the Internet, etc and that's how they define addiction.

[-] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

That is simply not correct. It is true that addiction to substances ends in physical dependency. But at its core all addiction is psychological. A heroin addict doesn't relapse after two years of being sober because he's still physically addicted to it. In most cases it's about missing the capacity for emotional regulation. And people addicted to substances don't get treated by physicians, at least where I'm from.

[-] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It is correct. If you do heroin everyday, you will have physical problems. If you stop playing Team Fortress 2 and it causes you to start shaking, vomiting, and shitting your pants, then that's comparable to heroin. But you won't do that so they're not the same types of addiction. That's why the medical community defines addiction by how something affects your life and not by some arbitrary number of times you do it.

[-] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

There are more than one criteria by which addiction gets defined. One of these absolutely is how often you do something. How it affects you is not the only criteria by which the medical community defines an addiction, albeit one of them.

Heroin Addiction is different to Team Fortress addiction in the same way it is different to Cannabis addiction, they are all unique in how they affect you. The physical and psychological effects of cannabis addiction are going to be different to the ones of heroin and internet addiction.

If they were only defined by how they affect you, like you argue, then every addiction would be a unique type of addiction, which is not how we define them

Again at the core all addiction is psychogical. We don't differenciate between them on basis of physical effects.

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[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

The entire line of questioning was about addiction and the CEO was pretending it wasn't (he didn't want up admit the truth because his company would be liable). The headline was accurate and your take is officially a hot one.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago

Something something defending the billionaires! /s

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

I just dislike sensationalism.

If the truth isn’t enough, then I don’t want it.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You dislike the truth. You should watch Tobacco CEOs deny that cigarettes were an addiction.

https://youtu.be/A6B1q22R438

[-] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

Hopefully Analog returns to Lemmy in far less than 12 days, and heavily edits their comments to reflect their error

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that was some serious ninja editing.

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

What editing? Didn’t edit either if those posts.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The comments I replied to were heavily edited after I replied. You can comment at the bottom with an Edit: and then explain what you changed. Otherwise, it is known as a ninja edit and it is generally frowned upon because it makes the conversations convoluted. Cheers!

[-] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Since you care deeply about truth or something, when will you be correcting your comments that, at best, lack huge amounts of truth that change the contents you put forth? At best, you accidentally skipped multiple paragraphs that contradict your claims. At less best, you knew better.

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Post said he said a thing. He did not say the thing. Not complicated.

Could have worded the post title to be accurate: didn’t. Instead, lied.

Words matter. Truth matters. Interpretation is how you get religious people performing atrocities based on millennia old writings.

“[Asshole] Squirms Under Questioning, Refuses To Admit 16hrs A Day Is Addictive Behavior.”

Not hard.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Your comments now are a huge shift from

"That sounds like problematic use," the Instagram boss answered. He did not call it an addiction.

He also didn’t say it was a tomato.

Seems that, in the interest of accuracy, you should update them, lest you be the thing you claim others are.

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I recommend a re-read, my good buddy, of all my posts in this thread.

Truth. Not lies. Not conjecture.

This can be the truth that he was dodging the question.

Don’t say people said things they didn’t say. Simple.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Your original post was a lie, or dumb accident, through omission. And now that you know better, you are lying intentionally in it.

You know damn well they were talking about addiction and not tomatoes. And yet you dishonestly tell people those two things are the same.

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Did the douchebag say exactly what the post title said he said?

[-] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Have you walked back your lie comparing the actual topic of addiction to the irrelevant topic of tomatoes? Make sure you post an explicit correction along with an apology.

"If the truth isn't enough, I don't want it." Please demonstrate.

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

You support lying. Good to know.

If you don’t understand the tomato comment, no wonder you’re having so much trouble with the interpretation and lying topics!

[-] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

There's no way you can say that the inquiry was about tomatoes as much as it was about addiction. Not without being incredibly stupid or incredibly dishonest.

You are now intentionally leaving out multiple paragraphs of content that would prove the opposite, which adds to your deception.

Demonstrate a grain of honesty by fixing your lies and maybe you'll have a right to talk.

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

You really don’t understand and are just driving the point home the more you post. I feel kinda sorry for you.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Please defend your use of your lying false equivalency. Demonstrate your wisdom, Truth Seeker.

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[-] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

@RemindMe@feddit.org about correcting misinformation in 24 hours

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah and you probably think headlines that say "suspect dead after ICE-involved incident" is fine and that "ICE performs summary execution of innocent person" is sensationalism.

[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

The post accurately copies the article's headline without editorialising.

The article itself is shit though.

[-] lmmarsano@group.lt 1 points 1 week ago

This is sensationalist BS and I dearly want this platform to be better than that.

This platform loves sensationalism. Same with other platforms.

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